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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's ****ing stupid to make a big deal over this.
    Actually, it isn't. When our policies (such as weapons sales and foreign aid) help to prop up corrupt dictators and human rights squashing regimes, we all look bad. And, we should stop doing this ****.

    It's not enough to make the proper noises that Mubarak should resign, but we need to stop putting weapons in the hands of dictators that are then used to oppress their people. Our government should stop facilitating sales of these weaspons into the hands of dictators and thugs in the 3rd world.

    THAT SHOULD NOT BE OUR FOREIGN POLICY M.O.

    It's time for our foreign policy emphasis to change. Propping up a thug with our funds for 30 years, and allowing him to purchase weapons and tear gas so that he can keep the masses quelled and under his thumb is essentially un-American.

    That's very ****ing relevant to this particular thread. Mubarack would never have stayed in power without U.S. support, funds, and weapons.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Actually, it isn't. When our policies (such as weapons sales and foreign aid) help to prop up corrupt dictators and human rights squashing regimes, we all look bad. And, we should stop doing this ****.

    That's directly relevant to this thread. It's not enough to make the proper noises that Mubarak should resign, but we need to stop putting weapons in the hands of dictators that are then used to oppress their people. Our government should stop facilitating sales of these weaspons into the hands of dictators and thugs in the 3rd world.

    THAT SHOULD NOT BE OUR FOREIGN POLICY M.O.
    Egypt bought weapons from all over the world. They would have bought those weapons from somebody. Even if we had refused to sell them weapons, Mubarack wasn't going anywhere.

    It's irrelevant. It's idiotic to think that it is.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Not really. Its in the interests of both nations to support each other. They have the oil and the US has the guns.
    Egypt doesn't have very much oil.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Egypt bought weapons from all over the world. They would have bought those weapons from somebody. Even if we had refused to sell them weapons, Mubarack wasn't going anywhere.
    First, even if the statement in bold is true, it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter that other countries might have sold these weapons. WE ARE ****ING AMERICA. Being the arms dealer to the world is a role that is in direct opposition to our role in maintaining freedom and democracy in the world.

    And, it is counter-productive to the efforts and sacrifices of our men and women in uniform.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Actually, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a person who has a fair understanding of psychology and biology.
    You're right... The difference between people and other mammals is mammals don't have sexual frustrations or feel any other kind of guilt, don't kill for sport, don't judge, don't lie or cheat, don't have fantasies, don't fear Gods or devils, and don't have any restrictive laws.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    You're right... The difference between people and other mammals is mammals don't have sexual frustrations or feel any other kind of guilt, don't kill for sport, don't judge, don't lie or cheat, don't have fantasies, don't fear Gods or devils, and don't have any restrictive laws.

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    A lot of them are gay, though.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    First, even if the statement in bold is true, it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter that other countries might have sold these weapons. WE ARE ****ING AMERICA. Being the arms dealer to the world is a role that is in direct opposition to our role in maintaining freedom and democracy in the world.

    And, it is counter-productive to the efforts and sacrifices of our men and women in uniform.
    Actually, it's not. We sell weapons systems to other countries, so they can protect their freedoms with the finest military hardware in the world.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    You're right... The difference between people and other mammals is mammals don't have sexual frustrations or feel any other kind of guilt, don't kill for sport, don't judge, don't lie or cheat, don't have fantasies, don't fear Gods or devils, and don't have any restrictive laws.

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    Some animals do get sexually frustrated, feel guilt when they do something wrong and sometimes do kill for sport not for nourishment.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Some animals do get sexually frustrated, feel guilt when they do something wrong and sometimes do kill for sport not for nourishment.
    Do like species have different religions?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I fear your grasp of geo-political possibilities is as shaky as your geography. I don't believe that Israel's neighbours are going to gang-up and rain missiles on it, nor do I believe Israel will resort to unilateral nuclear force. What you call MAD cannot be M because no one else in the region has 'em.
    In your effort to tack advantage of an obvious Mistake, you didn't make a substantial reply.

    You offered a mere contrary 'no'/I don't think so' with NO rationale whatsoever as I provided in my post.
    Which, quoted FULLY, and shows why I made the East/West fudge.. I was on the road:

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    In a straight up/one-on-one battle with Egypt's current military, I agree.

    But the longer term and larger term, wider, geo=strategic situation for Israel is not good, abd defsnsibel only in a retalaitory/MAD sense.

    While Egypt won't become part of the 'Shia crescent', this could 'close the circle'on Israel. With Iran to the West, Syria and Iran-backed Hezbollah to the North, and now a possibly Egypt and Egypt-supported Hamas to the West.

    Even without Egypt Israel was/is vulnerble to a large and sumultaneous [even] non-nuclear missile attack. Raining thousand of high-explosive or other damaging payloads on it with Minutes. Staring with only a few minutes warning in the case of Syria, and over with 20-30 with missles from Iran. Add in a motivated Egypt and Arabs could destroy most of tiny Israel that counts quickly.
    Coventional warafre you speak of would only be a remnant in this case.

    I see the above scenario possible and within 2-3 years. There really is no defense except 'MAD'.

    More later -posting with with weal travelling mobile onnection.
    Obviously I meant "east"for "west" to complete the "CIRCLE" and it's not my geography.,

    Futher trying to take advantage of this clear on-the-road-bobble, You Truncated my quote leaving off that portion, explaining why the error might have occurded, along with several Other obvious Typos.

    You record here of disingenuity and insubstantial replies.. continues.
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