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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They are all mammals and they will always have the same instinctual reactions that mammals have.
    My first hand experience in the region tells me a different story, but you go ahead and believe what you want.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Complicating the transition in U.S.-Egyptian relations by Daniel Levy | The Middle East Channel

    I think this article by Daniel Levy, of Foreign Policy, has some useful information about the Muslim Brotherhood:

    The Muslim Brotherhood (MB) is an important part of the Egyptian political landscape, a leading opposition force that was previously represented in parliament (before the ruling NDP party put its vote-rigging habit on steroids in last elections - November, 2010). The MB neither initiated nor led the current round of protests, but they have joined them and are likely to be a prominent player in a democratic Egypt (neither a dominant nor marginal role seems most likely).

    The ability to use the Islamist boogieman to fuel US fears draws on a combination of unfamiliarity and ignorance, cultural arrogance, and real policy differences on regional issues, notably on Israel. That Arab publics left to their own devices should freely choose to support religious conservatives should largely be none of our business: Americans in many states make a similar choice at the ballot box. That American policymakers have so few links into the MB or serious channels of communication is simply a failure of American policy.

    Nathan Brown, an expert on Islamist parties, has warned against US policymakers being misled by a tendency towards "Ikwanophobia" (ikwan is Arabic for the Muslim Brothers' movement). One cannot support participatory democratic politics in the Arab world while being totally allergic to the role that democratic Islamists will play. These movements are part of the legitimate political mix. They are more often than not at loggerheads with Al Qaeda, and far from being Al Qaeda-lite, they are frequently the most effective bulwark against Al Qaeda-style extremism.
    Perhaps MB isn't the bogeyman that some believe.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    The can of tear gas with "Made in USA" clearly displayed on it on TV, erased all doubts, especially since our obliging reporter showed it twice during one interview.

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    I've never seen American ordinance that was marked, "made in the USA".
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've never seen American ordinance that was marked, "made in the USA".


    Now you have.

    There are a number of USA-based companies that make these products and export them for police/military use.

    Now, can you stop pretending to be an expert in all things military/middle east because you served in Desert Storm?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Mubarak has announced that he's not going to run in the next elections.
    That doesn't mean that the Egyptians are going to have a Democracy of course, simply that the dictator would not be Mubarak anymore.
    Mubarak being as old as he is, that was bound to happen anyway, but the change that has occurred due to this revolting is that his son will not be the one to continue his regime.
    The Egyptians have made it clear they want the entire establishment wiped clean. At this level of mass demonstration the pressure to step down is nation, region and world-wide. Unless the army turn on the protesters and we have a Tiananmen square 2, which i highly doubt, i can tell you for sure that this level of determination and motivation emanating from every corner of Egyptian society will most likely end up better than what you have.... pessimistically calculated.

    Its not likely Mubarak can survive much longer. Members of his family have already left or are leaving. It falls down to the Egyptian army at the end of the day, and its oligarchs.

    I wonder if the protests are going to end now.
    Highly doubt this will satisfy the demonstrators and for a number of very valid reasons. We shall see in the coming hours.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post


    Now you have.

    There are a number of USA-based companies that make these products and export them for police/military use.

    Oh wow! That's commercial ****, not government issue.

    You can buy those online.

    See?



    That purdy much kills that notion.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh wow! That's commercial ****, not government issue.

    You can buy those online.

    See?



    That purdy much kills that notion.
    Well, ****ing duh. Why do you assume that the munitions weren't purchased from American suppliers? American suppliers and defense contractors sell such things overseas every day.

    Which, fwiw, is part of the problem.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Well, ****ing duh. Why do you assume that the munitions weren't purchased from American suppliers? American suppliers and defense contractors sell such things overseas every day.

    Which, fwiw, is part of the problem.
    So far, we've been lead to believe that those CS rounds were US military issue. Only now, do we know that the ordinance that is being used could have been bought anywhere.

    I guess we're going to be told that it's the evil corporations that propped up Mubarack?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So far, we've been lead to believe that those CS rounds were US military issue. Only now, do we know that the ordinance that is being used could have been bought anywhere.

    I guess we're going to be told that it's the evil corporations that propped up Mubarack?
    I don't agree with Ricksfolly's spin on the story, but American corporations would not have been allowed to sell dangerous chemicals (aka teargas) outside the U.S. without tacit government permission.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't agree with Ricksfolly's spin on the story, but American corporations would not have been allowed to sell dangerous chemicals (aka teargas) outside the U.S. without tacit government permission.
    Yeah, those goddamn free markets.

    The only way those companies wouldn't have been able to sell those rounds to would be to place a trade embargo on Egypt.
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