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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Well, indirect torture is the Obama method. No one on the right complains because they don't have a problem with torture. No one on the left complains because they are hypocrites only interested in supporting Obama over principle.
    Everyone on the right supports torture? Really?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Everyone on the right supports torture? Really?
    It's polemics.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Well, indirect torture is the Obama method. No one on the right complains because they don't have a problem with torture. No one on the left complains because they are hypocrites only interested in supporting Obama over principle.
    Well, since I'm neither on the right or left, I have no problems with saying that I think that Obama sucks on this issue, almost as much as Bush did.

    Does that help? Can we get back on topic now?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    EA WorldView - Home - Egypt (and Beyond) LiveBlog: Will a Million*March?

    2010 GMT: The chant from Tahrir Square in Cairo as the crowd await President Mubarak's speech on the large-screen TVs which have been set up: "Freedom! May God make it happen! May it be tonight!"
    If you can read that without getting chills, you're a heartless bastard.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    That's not an answer and you know it. I know that many Iranians would like to change their regime. So what? They don't have the power. Their hopes and dreams are inchoate. Many American Indians would like to return to an earlier era. That won't happen because the correlation of forces in the world will not permit it. Reality is a hard edged thing.
    It took over a year for the Shah to be removed from power. I believe that there is a majority of people in Iran who want freedom, and that they will eventually have it.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It took over a year for the Shah to be removed from power. I believe that there is a majority of people in Iran who want freedom, and that they will eventually have it.
    I want ice cream. That's essentially what you're saying.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I want ice cream. That's essentially what you're saying.
    Mubarak has just given a speech saying he's leaving in September. We will see how quickly democratic forces can coalesce between now and then.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    I think this is a good article:

    BBC News - Cairo: Relaxed crowd, stern message

    On a street corner I met Sama Sadurhi, the dapper-looking former Egyptian ambassador to Sweden.

    "We need pressure from America and Europe to make Mubarak go," he told me. "The West always talks about human rights. Now is the time for Obama to say: leave. All people here are against him."

    Alla, from Cairo, put it more bluntly.

    "We do not hate America," he told me. "But we have spent 30 years under the boot of Mubarak. If America continues to support Mubarak we will hate America."
    Regarding successors:

    "We do not support ElBaradei," another man told me.

    "We have made these events ourselves. We own this. We will choose our own leaders ourselves, not have them imposed on us by others."
    They're right, you know. And we should give them verbal and UN support in doing so.

    From andrewsullivan.com:

    BBC's Kim Ghattas reports:

    I just spoke to a senior U.S. official, who confirmed that Frank Wisner met President Mubarak and told him he should not seek re-election or put forward his son, Gamal, as his successor. The Americans are now waiting for an answer. However, the official also said that even if Mr Mubarak did not seek re-election, it was no longer enough. My understanding is that although they have not gone back to Mr Mubarak to say he must stand down immediately, they are hoping he has figured that out on his own.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Mubarak has announced that he's not going to run in the next elections.
    That doesn't mean that the Egyptians are going to have a Democracy of course, simply that the dictator would not be Mubarak anymore.
    Mubarak being as old as he is, that was bound to happen anyway, but the change that has occurred due to this revolting is that his son will not be the one to continue his regime.

    I wonder if the protests are going to end now.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As I said earlier in this thread, the Mubarak regime cannot survive without the support of the United States.
    Not really. Its in the interests of both nations to support each other. They have the oil and the US has the guns.
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