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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

apdst said:
Ok, who said that Obama should have supported Mubarack and helped him remain in power? Got a link to that? A link to this article would be nice.
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Give me a link saying they supported Obamas position.
 
USA_1 said:
Give me a link saying they supported Obamas position.
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That's what it's really all about. Ain't it? It has nothing to do with Mubarack. You're just miffed that they dared not fall in, lockstep with The Messiah.
 
Hell for the most part Obama didn't even know what his administrations message should be.
 
apdst said:
That's what it's really all about. Ain't it? It has nothing to do with Mubarack. You're just miffed that they dared not fall in, lockstep with The Messiah.
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Wrong. They were crticizing ever move he made, even when he said nothing at all. They claimed he was abandoning a good friend and other ME countries might see that and rise up too. Huckebee, Hannity and Beck were most most vocal about Obama.
I was hoping Obama would stay out of it so not to create amother Shah of Iran event. I am not an Obama supporter but I can not stand people politicising a crisis like this just to get votes for their party. Obama did the right thing.
 
j-mac said:
Hell for the most part Obama didn't even know what his administrations message should be.
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His message was to not get involved. Better to have no message at that time and let it play out.

Palin blasts administration's handling of Egypt - Yahoo! News

Palin would have created a disaster had she been in charge.

Egypt Protests, Obama Response Draws Criticism From Some Likely GOP Presidential Hopefuls - ABC News


But their critiques are far from uniform, reflecting both the political and diplomatic complexity of the situation and each hopefuls' attempt to stake out ground on a foreign policy debate that could get some play in the 2012 campaign.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, the front-runner among likely candidates in the latest ABC News-Washington Post poll, was the latest to weigh in, criticizing Obama today for not more publicly supporting Mubarak, who has been a longtime U.S. ally.

Good thinking Mike.
 
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apdst said:
Ok, who said that Obama should have supported Mubarack and helped him remain in power? Got a link to that? A link to this article would be nice.
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Egypt Protests, Obama Response Draws Criticism From Some Likely GOP Presidential Hopefuls - ABC News
Several top likely contenders for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination have emerged as leading critics of President Obama's handling of the Egyptian crisis, breaking with party leaders who have largely been supportive of the administration's approach.


But their critiques are far from uniform, reflecting both the political and diplomatic complexity of the situation and each hopefuls' attempt to stake out ground on a foreign policy debate that could get some play in the 2012 campaign.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, the front-runner among likely candidates in the latest ABC News-Washington Post poll, was the latest to weigh in, criticizing Obama today for not more publicly supporting Mubarak, who has been a longtime U.S. ally.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/egyp...-criticism-gop-presidential/story?id=12821036
 
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j-mac said:
So who says I envision Palin in that position? If Obama was so stedfast with his message to the Egyptian protestors, then I guess Hillary was what? Off the reservation?


j-mac
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Looks like it doesn't it?
 
USA_1 said:
Several top likely contenders for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination have emerged as leading critics of President Obama's handling of the Egyptian crisis, breaking with party leaders who have largely been supportive of the administration's approach.


But their critiques are far from uniform, reflecting both the political and diplomatic complexity of the situation and each hopefuls' attempt to stake out ground on a foreign policy debate that could get some play in the 2012 campaign.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, the front-runner among likely candidates in the latest ABC News-Washington Post poll, was the latest to weigh in, criticizing Obama today for not more publicly supporting Mubarak, who has been a longtime U.S. ally.
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Glad to see Huckabee loves dictators... he'll go far. :rolleyes:
 
j-mac said:
But she didn't did she? And isn't she part of the administration?


j-mac
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So is Biden. He was wrong too. Just like the last administration they all aren't on the same page and speak their own mind.
 
USA_1 said:
So is Biden. He was wrong too. Just like the last administration they all aren't on the same page and speak their own mind.
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Yes, agreed. Isn't that a problem?

And that being so, then their message was not "no message" as you painted earlier, but rather a mixed message.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Yes, agreed. Isn't that a problem?

And that being so, then their message was not "no message" as you painted earlier, but rather a mixed message.

j-mac
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Obama really had no message except he supported the demonstrators and wanted Mubarak to make concessions. He didn't suggest he step down until it was obvious he was going to lose power. The rest of the government, congressmen, pundits, presidential candidates, analysts all had their own message.

Do you think Obama handled it correctly? What should he have done?
 
USA_1 said:
Obama really had no message except he supported the demonstrators and wanted Mubarak to make concessions. He didn't suggest he step down until it was obvious he was going to lose power. The rest of the government, congressmen, pundits, presidential candidates, analysts all had their own message.

Do you think Obama handled it correctly? What should he have done?
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I think he did well. I especially like his immediate reaction to Clinton's and The envoy dude's comments in Munich (or whereever in Germany) supporting Mubarak. Obama immediately countered that message with his own and said that "regime change starts NOW". This was followed up by Gibbs the next day saying "NOW started yesterday".

Right on Mr. President.
 
reefedjib said:
I think he did well. I especially like his immediate reaction to Clinton's and The envoy dude's comments in Munich (or whereever in Germany) supporting Mubarak. Obama immediately countered that message with his own and said that "regime change starts NOW". This was followed up by Gibbs the next day saying "NOW started yesterday".

Right on Mr. President.
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We are in agreement.
 
USA_1 said:
Obama really had no message except he supported the demonstrators and wanted Mubarak to make concessions. He didn't suggest he step down until it was obvious he was going to lose power. The rest of the government, congressmen, pundits, presidential candidates, analysts all had their own message.

Do you think Obama handled it correctly? What should he have done?
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I think in the end there wasn't much he could do but what he did. Listen your hindsight is a little skewed I think.....




And at the same time Gibbs was saying



markedly different messages, now since Gibbs is the President's mouth to the press, and Biden the VP does this show the world a unified message? No, I think not, and rather sloppy.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I think in the end there wasn't much he could do but what he did. Listen your hindsight is a little skewed I think.....

And at the same time Gibbs was saying

markedly different messages, now since Gibbs is the President's mouth to the press, and Biden the VP does this show the world a unified message? No, I think not, and rather sloppy.

j-mac
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**** Biden, Clinton and any other subordinate who knows what the President wants his message to be and disagrees, so they promote their own message. The same bull**** happened under Bush.

Mixed messages is very bad, but not correcting the wrong message is worse. Unfortunately, well fortunately I mean but the Green Revolution message was wrong, Obama changed his tune between the Green Revolution of Iran and the White Revolution of Egypt.
 
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j-mac said:
I think in the end there wasn't much he could do but what he did. Listen your hindsight is a little skewed I think.....




And at the same time Gibbs was saying



markedly different messages, now since Gibbs is the President's mouth to the press, and Biden the VP does this show the world a unified message? No, I think not, and rather sloppy.

j-mac
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I said Biden wasn't on the same page as the president. Unlike Biden, Obama was very cautious about what he said and who he supported. I never said they had a united message.
 
reefedjib said:
**** Biden, Clinton and any other subordinate who knows what the President wants his message to be and disagrees, so they promote their own message. The same bull**** happened under Bush.

Mixed messages is very bad, but not correcting the wrong message is worse. Unfortunately, well fortunately I mean but the Green Revolution message was wrong, Obama changed his tune between the Green Revolution of Iran and the White Revolution of Egypt.
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****Biden? He is the VP of the United States. Shouldn't those running this country at least be unified before they open their pie holes?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
****Biden? He is the VP of the United States. Shouldn't those running this country at least be unified before they open their pie holes?


j-mac
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In a perfect world they would. Joe and Hillary must not have gotten the memo. Or it could have been a ploy by Obama to cover all the bases in case Mubarak came out on top.
 
USA_1 said:
In a perfect world they would. Joe and Hillary must not have gotten the memo. Or it could have been a ploy by Obama to cover all the bases in case Mubarak came out on top.
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This sounds quite plausible.
 
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