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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Obama has told Mubarak to step down...but I have no idea why he told him to not run for reelection, instead of to leave the country immediately. There's no way this is going to placate the protesters.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/wo...?_r=1&src=tptw
    Oh, so now Mubarack is stepping down because Obama told him so?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Oh, so now Mubarack is stepping down because Obama told him so?
    As I said earlier in this thread, the Mubarak regime cannot survive without the support of the United States.

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    The Obama press will never let us down.
    Mubarak is expected to address the Egyptian people within the next couple hours. Al-Arabiya TV (hardly "the Obama press") says that he will announce he will not run for reelection in September.

    Of course, that's too far into the future. If he had announced that a week ago, he might have been able to hang on until then...but there's no way the protesters will be satisfied unless he leaves the country immediately. I'm thinking his speech tonight will be his Ceausescu-on-the-balcony moment.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, so now Mubarack is stepping down because Obama told him so?

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    Obama should keep the hell out of it. Let the Egyptians resolve this thing for themselves.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Obama should keep the hell out of it. Let the Egyptians resolve this thing for themselves.
    The US has not "kept the hell out of it" for the past 30 years. Anything other than full-throated support for the protesters will and should be interpreted as American support for the tyrant.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As I said earlier in this thread, the Mubarak regime cannot survive without the support of the United States.



    Mubarak is expected to address the Egyptian people within the next couple hours. Al-Arabiya TV (hardly "the Obama press") says that he will announce he will not run for reelection in September.

    Of course, that's too far into the future. If he had announced that a week ago, he might have been able to hang on until then...but there's no way the protesters will be satisfied unless he leaves the country immediately.
    I doubt very seriously that Mubarack is stepping aside, because Obama said so.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The US has not "kept the hell out of it" for the past 30 years. Anything other than full-throated support for the protesters will and should be interpreted as American support for the tyrant.
    That wouldn't be a good idea, since there's no confirmation that this is actually a, "democratic", uprising. Obama would look foolish for supporting the instalation of a government that is worse than Mubaracks.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What's the point of immediately adopting a hostile attitude? Whoever is in the next government of Egypt, we will need to work with them and do our best to develop a workable relationship with them. Threatening them when they haven't done **** to us is hardly the diplomatic thing to do.
    Truth is the first casualty in war, all wars, has been since the Romans, so don't expect any kind of logical processes or solutions, especially in the middle of a hostile political climate.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I doubt very seriously that Mubarack is stepping aside, because Obama said so.
    Well regardless of WHY he's stepping aside, al-Arabiya is reporting that he IS stepping aside...at least after the next election. I highly doubt he lasts that long.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The US has not "kept the hell out of it" for the past 30 years. Anything other than full-throated support for the protesters will and should be interpreted as American support for the tyrant.
    That's probably true. Abandoning Mubarak will send a bad message to other country leaders too. It's a no win situation.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    That's probably true. Abandoning Mubarak will send a bad message to other country leaders too. It's a no win situation.
    Aside from Jordan (which is admirably making some democratic reforms on its own in the wake of protests), what other countries are we worried about? Yemen's president is too weak to help us much anyway. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are in no danger of collapsing because they're awash in oil. Iraq and Lebanon, as quasi-democratic states, are somewhat immune to democratic protests. Algeria and Morocco are not particularly relevant to US interests. And I'd welcome the collapse of Syria, Sudan, or Libya.
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