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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    you don't have to read every post, it's just been over the last few pages. i posted initially to say why i thought using extreme cases and trying to paint everyone with the same brush was wrong. and i stand by that.

    not every Palestinian is an evil terrorist or 'bastard' and dances in the streets when Americans are killed. not every American is calling for the destruction of Gaza like the idiot holding that sign.

    that was my point.
    Okay, and what about Israel? Are there any generalizations about Israel you think are unfair?
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Generally, crude oil is fungible. Except for nation to nation deals like the ones worked out by the Chinese, the price of crude oil is established by the commodities market. That is outside American control without additional production from this country.
    Not being able to control the price doesn't mean that American's do not receive much of the money that comes from increases n price. In fact, Americans see a lot of it.

    By your own calculations sixty percent of the funds spent by Americans on crude oil goes to foreign producers.
    Not at all. By my calculations 60% of the oil comes from foreign sources, as in from foreign oil fields. As far as where the money goes, that's a whole different ball of wax. Much of that ends up back in American pockets. ExxonMobil, for example, is the world's largest refiner. ConocoPhillips has a large presence in Canada and elsewhere. Don't confuse teh fact that the sources are forieign with the idea that the money is going into foreign hands. Much of it remains in American hands, regardless of which particular portion of the Earth the oil originated from.



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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

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    Okay, and what about Israel? Are there any generalizations about Israel you think are unfair?
    ok, this is getting really tiresome because i've already explained my point and i don't see why you would think i would not feel the same about Israel. Israel are no different to any other Country. from my experience, Israel like every other Country have generalizations made about them that are unfair.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    ok, this is getting really tiresome because i've already explained my point and i don't see why you would think i would not feel the same about Israel. Israel are no different to any other Country. from my experience, Israel like every other Country have generalizations made about them that are unfair.
    I agree with you. Generalizations about demographics, religions, genders, etc., annoy the heck out of me, too. I think it's good to remind each other when we're falling into the "generalization" trap. You go, girl!

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
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    Not at all. By my calculations 60% of the oil comes from foreign sources, as in from foreign oil fields. As far as where the money goes, that's a whole different ball of wax. Much of that ends up back in American pockets. ExxonMobil, for example, is the world's largest refiner. ConocoPhillips has a large presence in Canada and elsewhere. Don't confuse teh fact that the sources are forieign with the idea that the money is going into foreign hands. Much of it remains in American hands, regardless of which particular portion of the Earth the oil originated from....
    Hey Sensei,

    This is where I get to ask you to walk me through your calculations step by step. We have now passed the point of rhetoric.

    You have made a number of assertions and I request that you prove the truth of each of the matters you assert. Let's focus on crude oil and refined petroleum products on a product by product basis.

    Show me how much money goes to foreign producers, how much stays with American crude oil producers, how much is taken by American refiners, how much is taken by foreign refiners, how much is taken by American jobbers, how much is taken by American wholesalers and how much is taken by retail distributors. Then we can compare. Thanks.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    ok, this is getting really tiresome because i've already explained my point and i don't see why you would think i would not feel the same about Israel. Israel are no different to any other Country. from my experience, Israel like every other Country have generalizations made about them that are unfair.
    You don't see why I'd think you don't feel the same way about Israel? No offense, but you're pretty critical of Israel. It seems, sometimes, you blame Israel for the security measures it takes without showing much regard for why they must take them. That's my perception.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You don't see why I'd think you don't feel the same way about Israel? No offense, but you're pretty critical of Israel. It seems, sometimes, you blame Israel for the security measures it takes without showing much regard for why they must take them. That's my perception.
    you're getting way off topic here. feel free to start a thread and we can carry on with this there if you like.

    bit of a heads up for you before you do, it might pay you to search through my posts and you will see that i support Palestinian basic human rights and am criticial of the role Israel plays in what i see as sometimes abusing those rights. you will also see that i don't support Hamas and am equally critical of the disgusting role they play, and this should go without saying, but i absolutely support Israels right to protect it's civillians from terror and violence. all of those things i've already mentioned in my posts.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Al Jazeera on live cam feed from Tahrir Square are reporting more than a hundred thousand protestors have gathered so far.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

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    Al Jazeera on live cam feed from Tahrir Square are reporting more than a hundred thousand protestors have gathered so far.
    Watching the live feed now and AJ is saying there are now a million people around Tahrir Square. I think this is growing....
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    you're getting way off topic here. feel free to start a thread and we can carry on with this there if you like.

    bit of a heads up for you before you do, it might pay you to search through my posts and you will see that i support Palestinian basic human rights and am criticial of the role Israel plays in what i see as sometimes abusing those rights. you will also see that i don't support Hamas and am equally critical of the disgusting role they play, and this should go without saying, but i absolutely support Israels right to protect it's civillians from terror and violence. all of those things i've already mentioned in my posts.

    perhaps you only see what you want to see.

    Would it be a good thing for the ME, or the world for that matter should the MB take over in that part of the region?


    And if you think so why?


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