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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

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    Name for us the significance of that "success" for this country and if that is the best you can do then you made my point.
    Having a major impact on ending, even temporarily, a 16 year old dispute between two nations is "signoificant, no matter how you may want to spin it as insignificant.

    But directly, it helped lead to US-Armenian trade agreement as well as works to create a reputation for being capable at brokering these types of negotiations.

    Partisanship has nothing to do with it, reality matters, although I will admit I have absolutely no use for Obama or Hillary and their results seems to support that position.
    If you ignore the results when they occur, you're ignoring reality. I remember this being a big enough issue that Bush found it necessary to include himself in it.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

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    Having a major impact on ending, even temporarily, a 16 year old dispute between two nations is "signoificant, no matter how you may want to spin it as insignificant.

    But directly, it helped lead to US-Armenian trade agreement as well as works to create a reputation for being capable at brokering these types of negotiations.



    If you ignore the results when they occur, you're ignoring reality. I remember this being a big enough issue that Bush found it necessary to include himself in it.
    Wonderful, we now have a great trade relationship with Armenia which I am sure is great for those who want a good suit. Meanwhile North Korea threatens one of our best allies, Iran is out of control, violence is increasing in Iraq, Tunesia had a violent revolt, Yemen and Jordan are under political assault, and Egypt is in turmoil but what the hell Hillary brokered an agreement between Turkey and Armenia. Thank you, Madam Secretary for the incredible successes.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wonderful, we now have a great trade relationship with Armenia which I am sure is great for those who want a good suit. Meanwhile North Korea threatens one of our best allies, Iran is out of control, violence is increasing in Iraq, Tunesia had a violent revolt, Yemen and Jordan are under political assault, and Egypt is in turmoil but what the hell Hillary brokered an agreement between Turkey and Armenia. Thank you, Madam Secretary for the incredible successes.
    You cant really fault Hillary. Its Obama's foreign policy that is non-existent. I get boo'd for it...but I always said I would have voted for her over McCain or this empty suit of a president. "Leader"...heh...cant even use it in a sentence with the mans name.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

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    Wonderful, we now have a great trade relationship with Armenia which I am sure is great for those who want a good suit.
    It's a benefit.

    Meanwhile North Korea threatens one of our best allies, Iran is out of control, violence is increasing in Iraq, Tunesia had a violent revolt, Yemen and Jordan are under political assault, and Egypt is in turmoil but what the hell Hillary brokered an agreement between Turkey and Armenia. Thank you, Madam Secretary for the incredible successes.
    North Korea has been threatening one of our best allies for quite some time and violence increased in Iraq at various times since the war there began. It's not good, but it's not something that can be blamed on the Obama administration.

    As far as the "pro-democracy" unrest in the ME, isn't this what we want? I mean, when we as a nation support going to war in order to promote democracy, shouldn't we be happy when the people stand up for their rights?

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    [QUOTE=Tucker Case;1059256013]It's a benefit.



    North Korea has been threatening one of our best allies for quite some time and violence increased in Iraq at various times since the war there began. It's not good, but it's not something that can be blamed on the Obama administration.

    As far as the "pro-democracy" unrest in the ME, isn't this what we want? I mean, when we as a nation support going to war in order to promote democracy, shouldn't we be happy when the people stand up for their rights?[/QUOTE]

    Is that the administrations position?

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's a benefit.



    North Korea has been threatening one of our best allies for quite some time and violence increased in Iraq at various times since the war there began. It's not good, but it's not something that can be blamed on the Obama administration.

    As far as the "pro-democracy" unrest in the ME, isn't this what we want? I mean, when we as a nation support going to war in order to promote democracy, shouldn't we be happy when the people stand up for their rights?
    I asked for someone to provide for me the positive accomplishments of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and you provided the Armenian/Turkey agreement, hardly a blip on the radar screen of the rest of the world. You provided me with at least an accomplishment as the rest of the world burns.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I asked for someone to provide for me the positive accomplishments of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and you provided the Armenian/Turkey agreement, hardly a blip on the radar screen of the rest of the world. You provided me with at least an accomplishment as the rest of the world burns.
    (cant believe I am defending her...)

    How would you see her better representing Obama's foreign policy???

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

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    (cant believe I am defending her...)

    How would you see her better representing Obama's foreign policy???
    You don't have to defend her and you are right it is the Obama Foreign Policy that she is implementing. If she had any principles at all she would resign if she doesn't agree with those policies which haven't generated any positive foreign policy successes. Guess the Obama Cairo Speech really paid dividends in the region, LOL. Just goes to show we have an empty suit in the WH who is in over his head. If Hillary doesn't support the Obama policy thus the results being generated she should resign.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm sure most people can figure out what it's saying.
    How do you know?

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with having the Secretary of State do the job of the Secretary of State, no.
    VP Joe Biden said that Hosni Mubarak was not a dictator and that he should stay in office.

    Secty Clinton said that Hosni Mubarak should make way for a transitional govt.

    This occurred within a period of twenty four hours.

    Who is in charge and what is American policy on this issue?

    I understand that Obama went to a party Saturday night instead keeping vigil in the War Room. Is that leadership?

    The whole world wonders.

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