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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Indonesia is a Sunni Muslim democracy.
    A democracy that is slowly becoming more radicalized under SBY...
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    And as far away from the Sunni Arab heartland as possible. Ever notice how Muslims (and Christians for that matter) get more healthier the further away from this region they get? Take a look at what Turkey, Iran and even Egypt have in common. They were all converts and had a written history before Islam. The problem is the Sunni Arab in the heartland of the Middle East. Their history began with the Qu'ran. One might wonder what Chritianity in Europe might look like had there been no history before the Bible was written.
    I agree that it seems the further away from the Islamic heartland one gets, the Muslims tend to be more moderate ... though keep in mind that there were some pretty fundamentalist Islamic caliphates based in Morocco and Mauritania in the 11th-15th centuries...

    However, the Turks DID NOT have a rich, written culture before adopting Islam. They learned both writing and Islam from the Persians. It was cultures in Asia Minor (namely the Roman Empire dominated by Hellenic culture - as was Egypt before the arrival of Muslims) that preceded the arrival of the Seljuq Turks that had a rich, historical culture...

    And don't forget, few areas had a richer pre-Islamic history and culture than the Persians, and we all know how that turned out...
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Imo Mali and Indonesia may be proto democracies, but they are not democratic states in the sense known in the west. As western power and influence recede they will have less and less of a motive to pursue democracy.

    India, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Botswana and Ghana had democracy imposed on them as a result of western colonialism or domination. Democracy is not native to any of those states. We will see how long democracy survives. Taiwan will not remain democratic state because it will be absorbed into the PRC which is the greatest authoritarian power on earth.

    America has been the main motivator for the spread of democracy. But the American phase of the Western Era of world history has ended. Democracy is being rolled back. Look at Russia.
    Excuse me? Who imposed democracy on Taiwan? Democracy here is not perfect, but it is thriving DESPITE Western indifference, not because it was imposed by the West...
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    The rebellion is getting more and more awesome by the day. And, who said it wouldn't turn into a cluster ****?



    Egypt protests: U.S. advises all Americans to leave and 30,000 Brits are stranded | Mail Online
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    The patients are taking over the asylum.

    The Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest opposition group,is in talks with other anti-government figures to form a national unity government without President Hosni Mubarak, a group official told DPA on Sunday.

    Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood eyes unity gov't without Mubarak - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    American relations with all nations in the eastern hemisphere should be limited to normal trade. Nothing more.
    What do we do with France, Spain and the US? I think that the presence of any of their soil in the eastern hemisphere should automatically mean our dealings with them should be limited to normal trade but perhaps that's a little harsh.

    The vast majority of France is in the eastern hemisphere, so clearly we need to limit our interactions with them to just slightly above normal trade at most.

    But Spain and the UK are mostly in the western hemisphere, so I can see having a wider variety of interaction with them, but still not as much as we would have with Ireland, Portugal, Sierra Leone or the Ivory Coast.

    Russia also cuts into the eastern hemisphere a bit, so we might be able to deal with them a little bit more, but I would treat them similar to Ghana, Algeria, Mal, or France.

    Come to think of it, some of the Aleutian Islands are in the Eastern Hemisphere. Should we add some limitations to our relations with Alaska because of that?
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What do we do with France, Spain and the US? I think that the presence of any of their soil in the eastern hemisphere should automatically mean our dealings with them should be limited to normal trade but perhaps that's a little harsh.

    The vast majority of France is in the eastern hemisphere, so clearly we need to limit our interactions with them to just slightly above normal trade at most.

    But Spain and the UK are mostly in the western hemisphere, so I can see having a wider variety of interaction with them, but still not as much as we would have with Ireland, Portugal, Sierra Leone or the Ivory Coast.

    Russia also cuts into the eastern hemisphere a bit, so we might be able to deal with them a little bit more, but I would treat them similar to Ghana, Algeria, Mal, or France.

    Come to think of it, some of the Aleutian Islands are in the Eastern Hemisphere. Should we add some limitations to our relations with Alaska because of that?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Some very good points made here. Wonder how many will understand those points even after reading the article? Watch those attack the messenger and ignore the message.

    The global Islamist revolt is here

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    I know Im not a fan of Obama...and while I give him props on his anti-terrorism efforts I think he has flopped on just about everything else (OK...his handicap has come down 2 strokes too...there is that). So...I know this will come across as biased...

    But why is it that Hilary Clinton is coming across as more engaged and presidential than Obama? And for that matter, Biden is as well.

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