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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, while the West continues to back-up some (not all) of the most repressive regimes in the region, it will hardly be surprising when eventually things come back to bite them. Supporting Egypt and Saudi while attacking Iran which, while unpleasant is 100% more democratic than either of the other two, is just storing up problems for the future... a future that today doesn't appear to be too distant. Had the ascendancy of the neo-cons resulted in them applying their democratic export more consistently and ethically, this may have been turned around. The current Obama regime doesn't even appear to have a policy in regard to the ME democratic deficit.

    I reckon I'm as pessimistic as you.
    Um_ Didn't that already happen? Also look up the Mujahidden which turned into be the Taliban ineffectual something we did in the middle east did in fact bit us in the butt by killing 3,000 of our civilians and more of our people in the military.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think you're right. The only possible improvements might occur if the Mubarak regime can be forced to accept a process of radical change and democratisation allied with more egalitarian economic policies. The ludicrous wealth gap, caused by corruption and unfettered clientilist 'liberal' capitalism is, to my mind, the key driver of this social unrest, both in Egypt and Tunisia and indeed, across the ME.
    wierd, thought you were describing the US for a minute there.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Agree this is far more likely to result in an Islamist regime than Tunisia... though, there is a significant Chrisitian minority and there is an educated class that would resist Islamism...l
    I disagree. The protests in Egypt are being carried on by workers, and the issues are much different than in, say, Iran. The protests in Egypt are much more secular than they are religious. I say we should encourage the protests there. I think we have a chance to end up with an Egypt that shares a few of the same values we do.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Um_ Didn't that already happen? Also look up the Mujahidden which turned into be the Taliban ineffectual something we did in the middle east did in fact bit us in the butt by killing 3,000 of our civilians and more of our people in the military.
    The mujas that the US trained and funded didn't turn into the Taliban. Let's try to stick with the topic and stay away from the revised history.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree. The protests in Egypt are being carried on by workers, and the issues are much different than in, say, Iran. The protests in Egypt are much more secular than they are religious. I say we should encourage the protests there. I think we have a chance to end up with an Egypt that shares a few of the same values we do.
    The Muslim Brotherhood is the largest political party in Egypt. That kinda signals that this won't end up with a transition to a more western style of government.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Muslim Brotherhood is the largest political party in Egypt. That kinda signals that this won't end up with a transition to a more western style of government.
    Muslim Brotherhood is probably the largest party but not near a majority alone.
    As such the PM might very well be a 'hood'.

    However, I see this guy as more likely President. I'm not a fan of elBaradei either. He showed himself biased/uneven IMO as IAEA/Nuclear watchdog.
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    ElBaradei: Egypt is Not Stable
    http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2....radei.cnn.html
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    I hope they succeed at removing the tyrant dictator from his throne. Egyptians deserve FREEDOM not dictator!
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree. The protests in Egypt are being carried on by workers, and the issues are much different than in, say, Iran. The protests in Egypt are much more secular than they are religious. I say we should encourage the protests there. I think we have a chance to end up with an Egypt that shares a few of the same values we do.
    I said more likely than in Tunisia... I didn't make a comparison to Iran. I also listed what I believe to be mitigating factors, but if you ignore the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is a potent force in the country and that if their IS a vacuum there to be filled in, they are as ready as anyone else to fill it... that IS a real danger, even if not as strong a one as in Iran.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    from several of the comments listed here i get the idea that people only support democracy in the middle east if they vote in a pro-us government. the palestinians wanted hamas, oh that can't be democratic, we heard. the irannians voted in ahmadedijad, that had to be vote rigging. nevermind the fact that we don't allow elections in key countries that let us build bases such as saudi arabia and yemen. and yes we are the ones not allowing it by giving all the weapons to their despots.

    you have to choose one or the other, either democratic nations that don't want our military bases, or despots that'll support our imperialism in the region. you clearly can't have both...
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    from several of the comments listed here i get the idea that people only support democracy in the middle east if they vote in a pro-us government. the palestinians wanted hamas, oh that can't be democratic, we heard. the irannians voted in ahmadedijad, that had to be vote rigging. nevermind the fact that we don't allow elections in key countries that let us build bases such as saudi arabia and yemen. and yes we are the ones not allowing it by giving all the weapons to their despots.
    Hamas was voted in in legislative elections, not presidential. They then proceded to illegally (within Palestinian law) to seize control of executive functions in Gaza. As for Iran, do you truly believe that is a democracy?

    I would like to see a genuine democracy in Egypt.

    you have to choose one or the other, either democratic nations that don't want our military bases, or despots that'll support our imperialism in the region. you clearly can't have both...
    Remember when Democratic Philippines kicked out the US from bases in that country? And the U.S. supported the people's power movement that led to that decision...
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