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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    There is no such thing as Islamic Democracy. Many Islamic countries have adopted the outward forms of democracy, but they are not democratic states. Democracy is exclusively a Western concept. No other civilization has replicated the idea. None.
    There are many forms of democracy. Even democracy in Europe has a different face than what we see in America. Don't make the mistake that every nation has to be "Vermont" in order to be a democracy.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The USSR was pretty good at backing up their word. They didnt get the chance to spread beyond Afghanistan because we got involved. The election of Reagan didnt help their cause either. He basically spent the Soviets out of existence.
    Well, no argument here. But the Soviets weren't going anywhere beyond Afghanistan if they succeeded. It would have placed them directly on our door steps, which is what the super powers of the Cold War generally avoided.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    There are many forms of democracy. Even democracy in Europe has a different face than what we see in America. Don't make the mistake that every nation has to be "Vermont" in order to be a democracy.
    What about the Islamic Republic of Iran? They hold regulare elections. Is Iran a democracy?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    LOL!

    Islamic democracy like Iran?

    Where they hang Gays from lampposts and treat women like dogs?
    An Islamic Democracy is PRECISELY what Iran has.

    Hang gays and treat women like dogs.

    That IS Islamic Democracy.

    Its why the MB is an enemy of the region, Egypt and the West.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Imo Mali and Indonesia may be proto democracies, but they are not democratic states in the sense known in the west.
    Why? What about them isn't democratic? (I'm thinking you don't have an answer because you don't know anything about them, and you're going to Wikipedia them to find SOME minor distinction that sets them apart from Western democracies.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo
    As western power and influence recede they will have less and less of a motive to pursue democracy.
    Because, of course, the only reason countries ever pursue democracy is to please the United States.

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo
    India, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Botswana and Ghana had democracy imposed on them as a result of western colonialism or domination. Democracy is not native to any of those states. We will see how long democracy survives. Taiwan will not remain democratic state because it will be absorbed into the PRC which is the greatest authoritarian power on earth.
    The only one of those countries that had democracy "imposed" on them was Japan, and they certainly don't need American help any more to sustain democracy. Democracy didn't arise in India, Botswana, or Ghana as a result of western colonialism; it's not like the British Empire was big on promoting democracy in its clients. Democracy didn't arise there until AFTER the British Empire left. Same with Korea and Taiwan; American troops had been there for decades before either of them became democratic, so that's hardly the catalyst.

    American influence can help countries establish democracies, but it's stupid to think that democracy is a result of our imposing it on them...or that we'd even be CAPABLE of imposing it on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo
    America has been the main motivator for the spread of democracy. But the American phase of the Western Era of world history has ended. Democracy is being rolled back. Look at Russia.
    As countries develop they are more likely to become democracies. It will happen in Russia and it will happen in China. The only reason that Russia has held out as long as it has is due to oil-induced Dutch Disease and horrendous mismanagement in the 1990s.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What about the Islamic Republic of Iran? They hold regulare elections. Is Iran a democracy?
    Democracy isn't defined by an open and transparent system of governance that grants extensive freedoms. Nor is it defined by a robust electoral system.

    I personally think this is wrong.

    Iran (i believe) is a theocracy and it would be an insult to us to call it a "Democracy".
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You think that the USSR would have conquered Afghanistan and THEN be happy and not look to expand?
    No i dont think that. That has nothing to do with what i was saying. Focusing our energy on the immediate areas of interest to us would have prevented this anyway. Afghanistan did zilch.


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    Please explain how responding to the worst attack on American soil in the history of the country, killing thousands, equates to invasive meddling and making Afghanistan a victim?
    Read the full discussion before butting in. We where talking about the Cold War, your discussing something entirely different.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What about the Islamic Republic of Iran? They hold regulare elections. Is Iran a democracy?
    A corrupt one.


    There are several varieties of democracy, some of which provide better representation and more freedoms for their citizens than others.Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The following is a list of types of democracy:

    List of types of democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Iran, specifically, is a theocratic republic.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    A corrupt one.

    Iran, specifically, is a theocratic republic.
    And I must disagree with you here. Going through the motions of elections does not make a nation a democracy, even a corrupt one. Saddam Hussein held elections; the Burmese junta held elections. When the outcome of elections is predetermined or irrelevant, and when citizens are not free to criticize the government, a country is not a democracy.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And I must disagree with you here.
    Well I didn't just invent this or conclude it from reading on my own. I did look it up. See the links? Isn't a "theocratic republic" a type of government that means they follow basic laws and rights? Doesn't this refer to an oligarchic government where the ruler is be a supreme deity? Or a religious leader, such as a priest, leads? It sounds pretty close to Iran to me.



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    You're not really disagreeing with me. My center of study focus has never really been Iran.
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