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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    The US isn't a colonial power with major territory in Asia. Its primary goal was curbing the rise of communism and that goal had its roots in Europe and the Asia pacific region - in other words, close neighbors and areas of strategic and economic interest. The best buffer was Iran, Turkey, Germany and Arab states including those in North Africa. I still find the attention it received unjustifiable.
    You think that the USSR would have conquered Afghanistan and THEN be happy and not look to expand?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    ...You see, the way this works is that if you can somehow show an American boot or check in the vicinity of today's offenders decades and decades ago then America gets the blame. God only knows what small thing today will one day pass hands, evolve, twist out, and culminate into another reason to drag the U.S. through the mud by our hypocritical critics who today look towards us to solve all the god damn problems that originally started with them.
    Foreign opponents and the American Left worked hand in hand to bring down traditional America. The right can use the same techniques to bring down Leftist America.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    You seem to have the nieve assumption that if the brotherhood was elected to power that all of a sudden there would be free and fair elections in the future, if the people ever wanted something different. That would never happen, once they are in power you would never have a free & fair election again.
    This is based on several dubious assumptions:
    1. The Egyptian people will elect the Muslim Brotherhood.
    2. The Muslim Brotherhood will seek to undermine future democratic elections.
    3. The Muslim Brotherhood will succeed in undermining democratic elections without the military responding.
    4. The Egyptian people won't take to the streets and bring down the government, just as they are doing with Mubarak.

    If any of these turn out to be incorrect, then this fear is unwarranted. The Egyptian people have the right to experiment with democracy just like anyone else, and that includes making mistakes. Furthermore, any Egyptian government (including a Muslim Brotherhood government), unlike revolutionary Iran, will want to maintain a decent relationship with the United States. And it will be hard to do that if they're bludgeoning democratic protesters.



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    Another nieve assumption..... Look what happened in Iran....look what is slowly happening in Turkey where the secularists in the military are slowly being replaced with Islamists.
    It is not as easy to replace top military officers with sycophants as you seem to believe. If it was so easy, there would be no instability in any regime anywhere in the world. It's interesting that you cite Iran as an example of this, since even there the dictatorship's grasp on power is tenuous at best. And Turkey, while not exactly a Western democracy, is hardly a dictatorship.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You think that the USSR would have conquered Afghanistan and THEN be happy and not look to expand?
    Well "Afghanistan" and the Russians had a very long history and the tribes within were split up to be a part of every single bordering nation. Half of these were under Soviet control. It was very much about distinctly dealing with Afghanistan. This "buffer" nation had been used between the colonial powers for a couple hundred years prior to the 1970s. Besides, the Soviet Union couldn't expand without entering into Pakistan, China, Iran, etc., which would have drew in former colonial powers (and current powers) that had claim and ties. Without looking to jump start World War III (remember how the last two started), Afghanistan was the end.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Foreign opponents and the American Left worked hand in hand to bring down traditional America. The right can use the same techniques to bring down Leftist America.
    Oh I hate a Leftist. Unfortunately plenty of our Democratic Left have become Leftists.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Originally Posted by kaya'08 I do think Afghanistan is a victim of invasive meddling by many nations, not just the US.
    Please explain how responding to the worst attack on American soil in the history of the country, killing thousands, equates to invasive meddling and making Afghanistan a victim?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Please explain how responding to the worst attack on American soil in the history of the country, killing thousands, equates to invasive meddling and making Afghanistan a victim?
    Were the Afghan People directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks?

    The meddling of the British Empire, and the Soviets have nothing to do with the condition of Afghanistan today?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well "Afghanistan" and the Russians had a very long history and the tribes within were split up to be a part of every single bordering nation. Half of these were under Soviet control. It was very much about distinctly dealing with Afghanistan. This "buffer" nation had been used between the colonial powers for a couple hundred years prior to the 1970s. Besides, the Soviet Union couldn't expand without entering into Pakistan, China, Iran, etc., which would have drew in former colonial powers (and current powers) that had claim and ties. Without looking to jump start World War III (remember how the last two started), Afghanistan was the end.
    Thats hardly consistent with their actions or stated intent. And I think Korea and VietNam were pretty good testing grounds for the Communists...they saw that we would be willing to avoind a direct confrontation at all costs...because while they werent afraid of WWIII, they also knew not many others had the stomach for it. I think it far more likely that Afghanistan was just another piece of the south and westward expansion. Me...I dont like to think of what the world would have looked like had the USSR been successful.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Were the Afghan People directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks?

    The meddling of the British Empire, and the Soviets have nothing to do with the condition of Afghanistan today?
    I think the meddling of the Pakistanis and Saudis had something to do with the Afghan debacle as well.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Were the Afghan People directly responsible for the 9/11 attacks?

    The meddling of the British Empire, and the Soviets have nothing to do with the condition of Afghanistan today?
    "The People" seldom play an instigating role in any war. It is as always, the government. The people pay the price for the government actions.

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