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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yes, but only in that sense. It does not mean that the result of any successful regime change brought about by this 'popular' uprising would herald an improvement in human rights standards
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    For half of the population, I'm sure it would represent another step backwards in a process that has been occuring for decades.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Police are shooting protestors in Suez Canal. Protesters set fire to some Government buildings. Army is on standby. Not yet confirmed by mainstream media.


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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    For half of the population, I'm sure it would represent another step backwards in a process that has been occuring for decades.
    I think you're right. The only possible improvements might occur if the Mubarak regime can be forced to accept a process of radical change and democratisation allied with more egalitarian economic policies. The ludicrous wealth gap, caused by corruption and unfettered clientilist 'liberal' capitalism is, to my mind, the key driver of this social unrest, both in Egypt and Tunisia and indeed, across the ME.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Police are shooting protestors in Suez Canal. Protesters set fire to some Government buildings. Army is on standby. Not yet confirmed by mainstream media.
    CNN (USA) reporting same in Suez and had some pix.
    It was the main story at the outset of the evening/5PM EST news.

    Int'l attention could feed the protest's strength.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    The West is very quickly losing its allies in the Middle East, one after the other. Not that I support the Western policy regarding the Middle East, but being aware of the rise of radical Islam in that part of the world since the 80s, I've never been as pessimistic as I am now.

    A war that is going to spread very quickly is becoming inevitable.

    I sincerely hope that I'm dead wrong.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    The West is very quickly losing its allies in the Middle East, one after the other. Not that I support the Western policy regarding the Middle East, but being aware of the rise of radical Islam in that part of the world since the 80s, I've never been as pessimistic as I am now.

    A war that is going to spread very quickly is becoming inevitable.

    I sincerely hope that I'm dead wrong.
    Well, while the West continues to back-up some (not all) of the most repressive regimes in the region, it will hardly be surprising when eventually things come back to bite them. Supporting Egypt and Saudi while attacking Iran which, while unpleasant is 100% more democratic than either of the other two, is just storing up problems for the future... a future that today doesn't appear to be too distant. Had the ascendancy of the neo-cons resulted in them applying their democratic export more consistently and ethically, this may have been turned around. The current Obama regime doesn't even appear to have a policy in regard to the ME democratic deficit.

    I reckon I'm as pessimistic as you.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, while the West continues to back-up some (not all) of the most repressive regimes in the region, it will hardly be surprising when eventually things come back to bite them. Supporting Egypt and Saudi while attacking Iran which, while unpleasant is 100% more democratic than either of the other two, is just storing up problems for the future... a future that today doesn't appear to be too distant. Had the ascendancy of the neo-cons resulted in them applying their democratic export more consistently and ethically, this may have been turned around. The current Obama regime doesn't even appear to have a policy in regard to the ME democratic deficit.

    I reckon I'm as pessimistic as you.

    Agreed. Regarding Iran there is of course an episode that has been eliminated which is that it was the Shah who had started the nuclear program and it was Khomeini who had interrupted it. He only activated the program again when Iran was being attacked by "weapons of mass distruction" (supplied by the West) by Iraq which was still a Western ally at the time.

    Of course the West wants democracy in the Middle East as long as those elected are the people that the West likes and chooses. The Arab leaders have been so disgustingly corrupt that for decades they played the game in order to satisfy their personal "folie des grandeurs". And this is where we are now. Thanks you the West and thanks to the Arab leaders.

    edit: Obama is a powerless joke. Lots of hope was put into Obama regarding the Middle East, but the American policy toward that part of the world is so well grounded that there's hardly anything that Obama could have done without losing his own head.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Images/Videos from the protests











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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime







    Quoting from the gentleman in the video .. "We will not be silent. if you are a Christian, a Muslim or an atheist. You will demand your god damn rights! And we will have our rights, one way or the other!"


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    CNN's Egypt Page. Numerous Vidoes and pix.
    Police crack down on protesters in Egypt - CNN.com

    Among them an interview with well know M. elBaradei, an opposition leader; possible future President.
    "Egypt is NOT Stable"
    "29 years of Martial law"
    "rigged elections"
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