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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The current protests are pro-democratic and appear to be succeeding.
    It is the end result that matters not the initial reaction. Most revolutions started as pro democracy revolts and then were co-opted by radical Islamic fundamentalists.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then what? What part are the Muslim Brotherhood playing now and will play in the future?
    Right now, their role is mostly low-key. They're just joining the protests like everyone else. In the future...harder to say. That will mostly be up to the Egyptian people to decide. There's no way the Muslim Brotherhood can cease power by force; the Egyptian military hates them and they've renounced violence for so long that they can't cobble together a force of their own.

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    Still waiting for someone to point to a revolution in the region that didn't eventually lead to the creation of a repressive Islamic regime?
    That's because, until a couple weeks ago, there have never been any popular Arab revolutions PERIOD. Unless you count Lebanon in 2006, which led to the withdrawal of Syria and the weakening of Hezbollah (at least temporarily).
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Hillary Clinton is no longer making watered-down statements voicing "concern" or calling this an "opportunity for reform." She just called for an orderly transition to a democratic participatory government. Game over, Mubarak.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    What is the Egyptian Army doing? They have a good standing in Egypt and the region, will they continue on this tradition of siding with the popular people?
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    What is the Egyptian Army doing? They have a good standing in Egypt and the region, will they continue on this tradition of siding with the popular people?
    It looks like they're staging a "show of force" which mostly consists of sending helicopters and tanks to the center of Cairo...but aren't really fighting the protesters, aside from the occasional random shot fired. There have been some reports that the guys in the tanks are demonstrating alongside the Egyptian people.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Hillary Clinton is no longer making watered-down statements voicing "concern" or calling this an "opportunity for reform." She just called for an orderly transition to a democratic participatory government. Game over, Mubarak.
    What because Hillary Clinton says so?

    Really though I would be willing to bet that even the far left goverment that now runs our country is privately hoping that Mubark retains control & settles things down even though at this point it seems unlikely. The chances of a democratically elected goverment similiar to a western democracy is unlikely. You can bet the Brotherhood is plotting for an overthrow at this very moment and besides the army... who is going to stop them? My guess is these statements coming from the administration are put forth if & when the government is overthrown, then they can claim we supported it.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    conservative and iron yank would prefer to hit the rewind button to keep those savages in check(protesters), after all they dont need a free democratic government that serves its own peoples interest, they need a puppet like mubarek to hold them down just because iron yank and conservative most likely hate arabs and mooslems, am i right guys?

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    What because Hillary Clinton says so?
    Mubarak cannot survive without the support of the United States.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank
    Really though I would be willing to bet that even the far left goverment that now runs our country is privately hoping that Mubark retains control & settles things down even though at this point it seems unlikely.
    A corollary to Ben Franklin's liberty/security dilemma might read like this: "He who would trade essential democracy for temporary stability will lose both and deserves neither." Whatever the merits of supporting Mubarak were in the past, they are no longer true. Mubarak doesn't provide any stability, and in the long term Egypt will be better off with democracy even if they make mistakes along the way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank
    The chances of a democratically elected goverment similiar to a western democracy is unlikely.
    I agree. But that's OK. Egypt should be able to elect whatever kind of government they want, whether it's like ours or not. We can and should continue encouraging them to support free speech, free press, peace with Israel, and women's rights, regardless of who they elect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank
    You can bet the Brotherhood is plotting for an overthrow at this very moment and besides the army... who is going to stop them?
    "Besides the army"? Isn't that enough? How do you think the Muslim Brotherhood is going to forcibly defeat the Egyptian army?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank
    My guess is these statements coming from the administration are put forth if & when the government is overthrown, then they can claim we supported it.
    Sadly, you're probably right. The US didn't seem to have much problem with Mubarak's governance until it looked like he was going to lose this battle. But that doesn't mean we can't stand with the protesters now. Better to do the right thing late than never.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Yeah it's probably a good time for the leader of the free world to grab a hold of those round thingies between his legs and order Mubarak out of Egypt.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It looks like they're staging a "show of force" which mostly consists of sending helicopters and tanks to the center of Cairo...but aren't really fighting the protesters, aside from the occasional random shot fired. There have been some reports that the guys in the tanks are demonstrating alongside the Egyptian people.
    What does the "show of force" exactly mean for the protesters?
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