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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

You're right... The difference between people and other mammals is mammals don't have sexual frustrations or feel any other kind of guilt, don't kill for sport, don't judge, don't lie or cheat, don't have fantasies, don't fear Gods or devils, and don't have any restrictive laws.

ricksfolly

A lot of them are gay, though.
 
First, even if the statement in bold is true, it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter that other countries might have sold these weapons. WE ARE ****ING AMERICA. Being the arms dealer to the world is a role that is in direct opposition to our role in maintaining freedom and democracy in the world.

And, it is counter-productive to the efforts and sacrifices of our men and women in uniform.

Actually, it's not. We sell weapons systems to other countries, so they can protect their freedoms with the finest military hardware in the world.
 
You're right... The difference between people and other mammals is mammals don't have sexual frustrations or feel any other kind of guilt, don't kill for sport, don't judge, don't lie or cheat, don't have fantasies, don't fear Gods or devils, and don't have any restrictive laws.

ricksfolly
Some animals do get sexually frustrated, feel guilt when they do something wrong and sometimes do kill for sport not for nourishment.
 
Some animals do get sexually frustrated, feel guilt when they do something wrong and sometimes do kill for sport not for nourishment.

Do like species have different religions?
 
I fear your grasp of geo-political possibilities is as shaky as your geography. I don't believe that Israel's neighbours are going to gang-up and rain missiles on it, nor do I believe Israel will resort to unilateral nuclear force. What you call MAD cannot be M because no one else in the region has 'em.
In your effort to tack advantage of an obvious Mistake, you didn't make a substantial reply.

You offered a mere contrary 'no'/I don't think so' with NO rationale whatsoever as I provided in my post.
Which, quoted FULLY, and shows why I made the East/West fudge.. I was on the road:

me said:
In a straight up/one-on-one battle with Egypt's current military, I agree.

But the longer term and larger term, wider, geo=strategic situation for Israel is not good, abd defsnsibel only in a retalaitory/MAD sense.

While Egypt won't become part of the 'Shia crescent', this could 'close the circle'on Israel. With Iran to the West, Syria and Iran-backed Hezbollah to the North, and now a possibly Egypt and Egypt-supported Hamas to the West.

Even without Egypt Israel was/is vulnerble to a large and sumultaneous [even] non-nuclear missile attack. Raining thousand of high-explosive or other damaging payloads on it with Minutes. Staring with only a few minutes warning in the case of Syria, and over with 20-30 with missles from Iran. Add in a motivated Egypt and Arabs could destroy most of tiny Israel that counts quickly.
Coventional warafre you speak of would only be a remnant in this case.

I see the above scenario possible and within 2-3 years. There really is no defense except 'MAD'.

More later -posting with with weal travelling mobile onnection.
Obviously I meant "east"for "west" to complete the "CIRCLE" and it's not my geography.,

Futher trying to take advantage of this clear on-the-road-bobble, You Truncated my quote leaving off that portion, explaining why the error might have occurded, along with several Other obvious Typos.

You record here of disingenuity and insubstantial replies.. continues.
 
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Actually, it's not. We sell weapons systems to other countries, so they can protect their freedoms with the finest military hardware in the world.

That's fine...for countries that actually need to protect their freedoms with the finest military hardware in the world. When we sell weapons to a place like Egypt, they are just used to repress the people.
 
That's fine...for countries that actually need to protect their freedoms with the finest military hardware in the world. When we sell weapons to a place like Egypt, they are just used to repress the people.

The point is, they would have gotten the weapons from somebody. Egypt has been buying weapons from Russia for decades. If we hadn't sold them weapons, they would have just bought them from the Ruskies.

It's irrelevant to the larger picture.

Mubarack repressed the people and now the Muslim Brotherhood is going to repress the people.

I reckon when the MB turns out to be as bad as Mubarack, that'll be our fault, too. The stupidity has to end, at some point.
 
In your effort to tack advantage of an obvious MIstake, you didn't make a substantial reply.

You offered a mere contrary 'no'/I don't think so with NO rationale whatsoever as I provided in my post.
Whic quoted FULLY and shows why I made the East/West fudge.. I was on the road:


Obviously I meant "east"for "west" to complete the "CIRCLE" and it's not my geography.,

Futher trying to take advantage of this clear on-the-road-bobble, The End you Truncated my quote leaving off that portion, explaing why the error might have occurded, along with other sevral obvious Typos.

You record here of disingenuiy and insubstantial replies.. continues.

Given that a third of this message is also incomprehensible, could I suggest you stop posting until you can either type properly or put some thought into what you are posting. I'm not taking cheap shots, I'm saying that others on the forum deserve your attention and aren't interested in your texting from a subway train... or whatever. Iran is to the east of Israel, Egypt to the south btw.
 
Given that a third of this message is also incomprehensible, could I suggest you stop posting until you can either type properly or put some thought into what you are posting. I'm not taking cheap shots, I'm saying that others on the forum deserve your attention and aren't interested in your texting from a subway train... or whatever. Iran is to the east of Israel, Egypt to the south btw.

Southwest, actually.


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Southwest, actually.


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Well it depends, if you are in Tel-Aviv and you start heading directly south you're bound to cross the border, but overall you're correct.
 
Southwest, actually.
I'll go with that. My point was that the guy was posting garbled, shoddy and inaccurate posts because he was on the move and couldn't give his writing the attention everyone else tries to give theirs. In such circumstances, don't post. "Simples", as the meerkats might say. Even once this was pointed out, in his last post, he made ten grammatical or orthographical mistakes in just one post of half-a-dozen lines. We all make mistakes. I know I make loads, but that degree of shoddy posting deserves to be pointed out.
 
I'll go with that. My point was that the guy was posting garbled, shoddy and inaccurate posts because he was on the move and couldn't give his writing the attention everyone else tries to give theirs. In such circumstances, don't post. "Simples", as the meerkats might say. Even once this was pointed out, in his last post, he made ten grammatical or orthographical mistakes in just one post of half-a-dozen lines. We all make mistakes. I know I make loads, but that degree of shoddy posting deserves to be pointed out.

I got what he was getting at. Then again, I'm familiar with the geography of the region. Seems that some folks on this post have never looked at a map of the ME before, in their lives. That's the only way I could explain some of the goofball posts about the tatical scenarios
 
His promise is nothing more than a trick. Don't believe it Egyptians! He will **** up with the elections again and he has made no promise to not install his own son

Continue till he dies and/or leaves. Preferably drops dead but hey, I don't make up the rules.

This is merely stage 2 of the operation. Tunisia's President did the same thing.
Offer reforms and concessions
Offer to step down
Flees to Saudi Arabia >.<
 
Well it depends, if you are in Tel-Aviv and you start heading directly south you're bound to cross the border, but overall you're correct.

Yeah, and if you headed out Dallas, due south, you would run into Mexico, but Mexico isn't south of The United States.

Just like, if you headed east out of Nizzana, you would reach the Egyptian border.
 
His promise is nothing more than a trick. Don't believe it Egyptians! He will **** up with the elections again and he has made no promise to not install his own son

Continue till he dies and/or leaves. Preferably drops dead but hey, I don't make up the rules.

This is merely stage 2 of the operation. Tunisia's President did the same thing.
Offer reforms and concessions
Offer to step down
Flees to Saudi Arabia >.<


Let's go ahead and install the Brotha'hood and to hell with those pesky elections.
 
Let's go ahead and install the Brotha'hood and to hell with those pesky elections.

Or how about have a united temporary coalition of all sides. With the Army heading it/overseeing it.

Have elections which are actually free and fair.
If the people choose Muslim brotherhood, as is their right
Suck it up and accept it
 
Given that a third of this message is also incomprehensible, could I suggest you stop posting until you can either type properly or put some thought into what you are posting. I'm not taking cheap shots, I'm saying that others on the forum deserve your attention and aren't interested in your texting from a subway train... or whatever. Iran is to the east of Israel, Egypt to the south btw.
You definitely tried to take advantage of my tenuous circumstance. (now improved).

That's why in fact you Left off the last part of my quote explaining I was on the road with a bad internet/traveling mobile connection.
It as underhanded and intentional.

Nor was my post insubstantial.
It elucidated not only the potential completion of the encircling of Israel by hostiles, but also the possible missile situation which could be deadly for it despite it's Apparent conventional (an/or nuclear) superiority.
IOW, the overall geo-strategic possibilities.

You lack both basic knowledge I have as a specialist Middle East poster, and the intellect to even appreciate it.

One will never forget your Fraudulent/Out-of-your-@ss quote for Fallaci, or your other outrageous assertions about her (Mental illness etc)

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/67405-fallaci-write-europe-5.html

I would ask that anyone who wants to see what kind of poster andalublue is.. see the above 'Outing'.
 
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I would argue that installing a US-friendly government in Iraq is somewhat different from installing a democracy, but if someone is in favor of installing such a US-friendly government, it would be consistent across both sides, definitely.

Sure they are different, but the way our involvement in Iraq played out, it is clear that we favored the installation of a democracy, no matter what their ultimate friendliness would be. We created the conditions for legitimate elections, bringing Shiites to power. The Shiites of Iraq are not very friendly to the US and they have oriented themselves toward Iran. This is consistent with the principle of spreading democracy and not creating yet another strongman government aligned with our interests. We were successful, completely, in this endeavor, the stated objective.

This is a principle I support, regardless of whether it is moral, verbal, diplomatic support, like we should give to the protesters in Egypt, or interventionist support to overthrow a despot. I do not agree with the premise that spreading democracy is illegitimate if it doesn't happen from within.

I can see the position that we should spread democracy while remaining non-interventionist. However, seeing as how our commercial interests are global, then short of embargos, we will be complicit in supporting despotic and autocratic regimes - see Egypt and our support of Mubarak's government, and the rest of the middle east's countries. This hypocracy in our foreign policy is what drives anti-americanism in that part of the world and was a major tenet of Osama's screed against the west.

We should be more consistent with supporting democracy movements, both diplomatically, economically and through military intervention.

The real question should be to what effect has our intervention and the establishment of a real democracy in Iraq had on the rest of the Middle East with regards to internal democratic movements?
 
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Or how about have a united temporary coalition of all sides. With the Army heading it/overseeing it.

I spewed snuff all over my monitor when I read that silly crapolla.

Have elections which are actually free and fair.
If the people choose Muslim brotherhood, as is their right

Let's see, elections overseen by the Brothas and the Army. Gee, how's that going to turn out? The Brothas win by like, a 90% majority of the vote. uh, yeah!!

IMO, the Egyptians are swapping one pack-a-assholes for another. The only difference, is that the new pack-a-assholes is going to bring alot more death and destruction down upon not only the Egyptians, but the ME as a whole.

Suck it up and accept it

And, when the Brothas do something stupid and The United States is forced to bomb the dog **** out of Cairo, suck it up and accept it.
 
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I spewed snuff all over my monitor when I read that silly crapolla.



Let's see, elections overseen by the Brothas and the Army. Gee, how's that going to turn out? The Brothas win by like, a 90% majority of the vote. uh, yeah!!

IMO, the Egyptians are swapping one pack-a-assholes for another. The only difference, is that the new pack-a-assholes is going to bring alot more death and destruction down upon not only the Egyptians, but the ME as a whole.

And, when the Brothas do something stupid and The United States is forced to bomb the dog **** out of Cairo, suck it up and accept it.
I think most Egyptians would be quite happy with an election Heavily monitored by an International team

No one is going to trust any faction without it.
There's simply no foundation/infrastructure for an honest election now or a few months from now.

I can't foresee any agreed upon result without perhaps the most extensively monitored election in history.
 
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I spewed snuff all over my monitor when I read that silly crapolla.

Let's see, elections overseen by the Brothas and the Army. Gee, how's that going to turn out? The Brothas win by like, a 90% majority of the vote. uh, yeah!!

IMO, the Egyptians are swapping one pack-a-assholes for another. The only difference, is that the new pack-a-assholes is going to bring alot more death and destruction down upon not only the Egyptians, but the ME as a whole.

And, when the Brothas do something stupid and The United States is forced to bomb the dog **** out of Cairo, suck it up and accept it.

Who said an election oversees by the Brotherhood?
I said a temporary coalition to weather the storm UNTIL an election can be called and the Army as the most trusted institution can step in and mediate and/or oversee to prevent any fraud.
As can international observers,

And no I will not accept Egypt being bombed. What stupidness :roll:
 
I think most Egyptians would be quite happy with an election Heavily monitored by an International team

No one is going to trust any faction without it.
There's simply no foundation/infrastructure for an honest election now or a few months from now.

I can't foresee any agreed upon result without perhaps the most extensive outside-monitored election in history.

I agree. There's not a large enough concensus to tell us if a majority of Egyptians even want Mubarack gone. So far, all we have are the Brothas and Obama telling us that Mubarack needs to go.
 
Who said an election oversees by the Brotherhood?
I said a temporary coalition to weather the storm UNTIL an election can be called and the Army as the most trusted institution can step in and mediate and/or oversee to prevent any fraud.
As can international observers,



Yeah, that's what Lenin said in 1917.

And no I will not accept Egypt being bombed. What stupidness :roll:

If they do something stupid that brings down the wrath of the great United States, then that's exactly what might happen. You know that it could happen and you need to accept the conciquences of those actions.
 
Yeah, that's what Lenin said in 1917.

If they do something stupid that brings down the wrath of the great United States, then that's exactly what might happen. You know that it could happen and you need to accept the conciquences of those actions.

I could give two ****s about what a Russian said :shrug:
Egypt still has an economy and security issues. That still needs a Government. A temporary coalition is necessary, not this Parliament which should be dissolved immediately

No. I do not accept it. Lol at "Great" United States.
 

I agree that heavy international monitoring may be needed. The Army is complicit with the current regime and can't be trusted. Having Egyptian teams consisting of representatives from many parties may work: Army, MB, secular opposition. ...but only with external monitors as well.

There's not a large enough concensus to tell us if a majority of Egyptians even want Mubarack gone.

That's the point of fair objective elections. Previous elections were anything but and saying a majority of Egyptians used to favor Mubarak is groundless.

So far, all we have are the Brothas and Obama telling us that Mubarack needs to go.

Absolutely not. Have you been following events??? MB and the organized opposition parties are playing catchup to the spontaneous demonstrations organized through previously unheard of youth, promoting through the net, twitter and texting. They are the ones who are really telling everyone that Mubarak must go.
 
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