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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yes.



    I'm not.


    Your mistake continues to be orientalism. Take into consideration where Iran's mood was in 1979. They hated us because we were absolutely physically present and much of the revolution was centered around getting rid of us. And just what do you think the distinct mood is around the Israeli environment? None of this reflects on Egypt's mood.
    Look, I hope you are right, just don't think you are. Would be happy to admit that I am wrong but doubt it. There weren't that many Islamic fundamentalists in Iran but everyone was united to get rid of the Shah. then the most organized and best funded took over. Think that the majority in Iran are happy today with the way that turned out?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    This is a good point.
    Our generals are their suppliers and trainers.

    Every two years Egypt used to host "Operation: Bright Star." This assembled many of the Western nations with Arab nations for military exercises. I attended in 2001 (once month after 9/11). We have relationships with these nation's leaders that most civilians don't know about. And no CNN or FOX will give this wisdom to the viewers who seem more concerned with safely predicting negative outcomes.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Look, I hope you are right, just don't think you are. Would be happy to admit that I am wrong but doubt it. There weren't that many Islamic fundamentalists in Iran but everyone was united to get rid of the Shah. then the most organized and best funded took over. Think that the majority in Iran are happy today with the way that turned out?
    Iran was it's own distinct issue. And the majority of the voices leading the revolution in the public's eye were absolutely religious. This is not the case in Egypt.

    But the bigger mistake would be for our analysts to forget history's lessons. Just like they predicted failure everytime an IED went off in Iraq, so too will they safely predict failure everytime Egyptians have to learn their lessons. Even in the West, none of us got it right perfectly. We should remember how many decades it took to create democracies in Europe when we think about tagging "failure" to Arab nations who are just starting out. With our help, they could achieve it faster than they did.

    Don't worry about the short term hiccups. It's not like Napoleon's going to rise. It's the long term success they are working towards. And that's culture.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Stop trying to justify the illegality of Iraq by using other countries rising up as a shield.

    Tunisia was more of a spark than Iraq. Contrary to many Americans belief, not everything revolves around the US

    OT: I hope the Egyptian people continue and I hope my friends are safe. Lynch your President!
    FYI, the invasion was NOT illegal and was in conformity with UNSC resolutions...

    Though I agree with your point that it likely was a small part at best to what happened in Tunisia, but I would not argue that it had NO part in it. Surely Tunisians DID see images of Iraqis voting and that, combined with the government's inability to provide for its people in tough times, likely together provided the impetus for the current events in Tunis and throughout Tunisia.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Originally Posted by Laila ...Lynch your President!


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I've spent a lot of time in Egypt. Urban and rural. I believe I know the people a bit better than you do.
    You know, there are always some on these boards who think they know more about a country and a culture than people who have spent significant time in that country and/or speak its language... this won't insulate you from the haters...
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am sure you mean well but you are allowing your own personal opinions to trump reality and history.

    This is EXACTLY like Iran in more ways than not. The ultimate plan by the radical Islamists was to overthrow and get rid of Mubarek. Fortunately, they had a bad economy to act as their ally and to help them create a revolt based upon economics and stirred the flames with hatred for the person that brought this upon them.

    Islamists used the people same way as liberals use minorities. Same way as Stalin used his useful idiots.

    This, in almost all aspects, is Iran all over again. The biggest losers in all this will be Israel and the US.
    The Muslim Brotherhood will ATTEMPT to do this, and they MAY be successful, but it isn't that simple in Egypt. Tashah is merely pointing out the fact that Egyptians are not lock-step Islamists. Egypt IS more moderate in general than many of the societies on the Peninsula. It has a strong educated class and a significant Christian minority.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Muslim Brotherhood will ATTEMPT to do this, and they MAY be successful, but it isn't that simple in Egypt. Tashah is merely pointing out the fact that Egyptians are not lock-step Islamists. Egypt IS more moderate in general than many of the societies on the Peninsula. It has a strong educated class and a significant Christian minority.
    Name for me one revolution in that part of the world where the end result wasn't a hard line Islamic regime? Again, Iran started out this way and look at the end result. Looks to me like you are backtracking a little in your prediction,
    The Muslim Brotherhood will ATTEMPT to do this, and they MAY be successful
    If that is the case we are in big trouble as is Israel.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    The Egyptian opposition does not have a respected leader like Khomenei was for Iran. But Egypt has no significant pro-democracy intelligentsia like Poland or Czechoslovalia. The only organized opposition in Egypt is the Muslim Brotherhood. Imo it is too late to develop a democratic following in Egypt. The Coptic Christians of Egypt would be well advised to leave the country.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    ..... The Coptic Christians of Egypt would be well advised to leave the country.
    Arabs conquered Egypt in 640 AD. The [native] Copts have been shafted ever since.
    Leaving was always a good idea.
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