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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Today Hillary Clinton urged Mubarak to allow demonstrations and to not censor Facebook/Twitter. I think the US government may be cutting Mubarak loose.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Today Hillary Clinton urged Mubarak to allow demonstrations and to not censor Facebook/Twitter. I think the US government may be cutting Mubarak loose.
    Sensible advice, I reckon this indicates the opposite of cutting him loose, wouldn't you? If they were going to do that they'd just wash their hands of him and let him carry on digging his own political grave.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I wonder. Where is the evidence that the unrest has anything to do with the democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people? The basis of the appeal of the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist organisations has nothing to do with democratic aspitrations. I suspect that economic factors are playing a far, far greater part in the unrest and that the demands of the leaders and the majority of the protesters will fall very far from demands for greater western-style democratic reforms. It's very worrying indeed.
    Egypt like most of the Arab world, has a demographic (and ergo economic) problem. Median age app 17 in many places.
    World-hooked-up 'Youth' and their free communication and what they've seen with/on it- has it's own momentum.
    It is democratic in that sense.
    That's why these days the regimes go for blocking Facebook etc.
    But opposition to Mubarak is deep-seeded and long running. Both on the basis of repression of democracy and certainly on the 'hood'.



    The West's reaction could be quite significant. Seeing the increasing weakness of the Mubarak regime they can either pressure that regime to improve the social environment of Egypt and encourage reforms that will attack the endemic corruption and iniquities of his regime, or they can sit back, sell him more arms and tools of repression and reap the whirlwind if and when the regime goes the route of Tunisia. In such circumstances they'll only have themselves (and Mubarak's oligarchy) to blame.
    Mubarak is getting old- His regime will end soon one way or the other.
    He and His son should find themselves nice places in France or Southern California.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    His Son and family have fled to UK ...

    And we took him in


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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Egypt like most of the Arab world, has a demographic (and ergo economic) problem. Median age app 17 in many places.
    World-hooked-up 'Youth' and their free communication and what they've seen with/on it- has it's own momentum.
    It is democratic in that sense.
    Yes, but only in that sense. It does not mean that the result of any successful regime change brought about by this 'popular' uprising would herald an improvement in human rights standards, the rule or law or greater accountability to the people. It's much more likely that it would replace a military-technocratic oligarchy with a military-theological oligarchy, i.e. no great improvement for the average Egyptian, much worse in terms of Middle Eastern geo-politics and a disaster for the Western allies of Mubarak.
    That's why these days the regimes go for blocking Facebook etc.

    Mubarak is getting old- His regime will end soon one way or the other.
    He and His son should find themselves nice places in France or Southern California.
    All true, but I'm more concerned about the 80 million ordinary Egyptians than the Mubarak family, natch.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    His Son and family have fled to UK ...

    And we took him in
    Yes, it would appear so...gulfnews : Mubarak
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yes, it would appear so...gulfnews : Mubarak
    I posted a [CBS] refutation of that story earlier.
    And that is the Same story and only source - the US based Arabic website Akhbar Al Arab.

    I haven't seen any confirmed/other sourced reports of anyone having fled .. yet.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I posted a [CBS] refutation of that story earlier.
    And that is the Same story and only source - the US based Arabic website Akhbar Al Arab.

    I haven't seen any confirmed/other sourced reports of anyone having fled .. yet.
    Okay, let's wait and see then. I do hope it turns out not to be the case.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Sensible advice, I reckon this indicates the opposite of cutting him loose, wouldn't you? If they were going to do that they'd just wash their hands of him and let him carry on digging his own political grave.
    Nah. Repression and censorship are generally pretty effective tools for propping up a dictatorship.
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    If the government is overthrown, how long do ya'll think it will be, before the Muslim Brotherhood takes the reins?
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