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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Anybody else noticing the American voice in this? In cities all over the U.S., people are protesting for the Egyptian people. This is the post Cold War America that I have been wanting. It is no longer the Cold War where we were stuck beating the Soviets to the dictators and where we got away with preaching about freedom and democracy, but also looking away.

    I have stated this before. We have to start voicing for the people underneath these illegitimate governments and bullies. In this new globalized world where communications have no restrictions, we have to start behaving like we did prior to being sucked out into this wrecked world.

    We stand for something. The world knows it and everytime we behave imperfectly for whatever reason, the global leeches grumble over it. They produce their polls and criticize. Anti-Americans everywhere gain more ammo for their decrepit complaining. Presidents Bush and Obama have both made it clear that we have to remove ourselves from the narcotic of oil, thereby removing ourselves fromhaving to support crooked and oppressive regimes. At the government level, we are still stuck in the publics eyes, but we can damn sure make 100 phone calls a day to these governments and insist constantly that they improve their situations. In the meantime, "We the People" have to stand by the globally oppressed.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OMG
    I was of the opinion that there was no way the Tunisian unrest had the ability to spread to the rest of the Arab world. It now appears I was wrong. But an Egyptian revolution is far less likely to turn into a heartening success story than Tunisia, and far more likely to mirror what happened in Iran in 1979.
    Whoa!! Finally a liberal who is getting it.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is the biggest problem. People hate America, mostly, because they're uninformed.

    The United States never supported the Taliban during the Afghan-Soviet War. UBL never worked for the CIA.

    If you want to complain about what the United States did wrong in Afghanistan, you would be more accurate to say that we didn't maintain our support for the Northern Alliance. Had we done that, the NA could have wiped out the Taliban.
    CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July (of '01)
    “CIA worked in tandem with Pak to create Taliban”(march of'01)
    ISI Chief's Parleys Continue in Washington(september 10, '01)
    ISI pays Mohamed Atta $100,000
    The CIA has funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Pakistan's intelligence service since the Sept. 11 attacks

    we pretty directly funded the taliban and osama bin laden.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
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    We stand for something.
    Yea, you stand for the weapons and ammo being used to kill the protesters at the moment... Made in the USA is stamped on all of them (literally), and the people know this.

    The people do not see any American's protesting in the US for the Egyptian people.. (hell we dont even see it over here), they see what Mubarak allows them to see and what the radical islamists allow them to know.

    We can hope that a moderate secular government and nation comes out of this.. but I am not betting the bank on it that is for sure. At least it wont be the cluster**** of Iraq over again.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    So close yet so far away. The Muslim brotherhood is considered a terrorist organization by........Al Qaeda. Why? Because the MB wants modernity and not extremism rule. Basically what you wrote is what the MB believe in.
    The Muslim Bortherhood has a written charter that would have you believe that they believe in democracy, peace, and religious freedom. But there's no coincidence that virtually every single Sunni terrorist over the last 50 years have been members. Ultimately they believe in the idea of the return of the caliphate. There is a contradiction within the Brotherhood and it is here where these extremists find some of their support. For an example....members of the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated Sadat over not just the Israeli peace deal, but over local radical religious crackdowns. Saayid Qutb (the man who legitimized hatred towards the U.S. and identified it as God's enemy in the 1950s) was a member of the Brotherhood and his wrintings for Sharia andJihad are among the most influential for Islamists.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    So all those OPINIONS are credible because that is what you want to believe? Did you read the 9/11 Report that discussed the Taliban, al Qaeda, and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Looks to me like someone trying to sell books.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Anybody else notice how all these Arab leaders who opposed the invasion of Iraq eventually began feeling tremendous pressure from their own people? No? Just that coincidence thing I guess.
    Yes, but I can also note a meaningless correlation where all those Arab and Iranian leaders who condemned 9/11 eventually began feeling pressure from their own people. Since they all condemned 9/11 and all opposed the Iraq War, either hypothesis claiming inspiration of the people is non-falsifiable.

    Anyone remotely interested in the region knows unrest and revolt spreads through it in a short timeframe. This is because, as you say, these people don't live in bubbles, and I don't think anyone is ignorant of this fact. Mass communication, the availability of the internet and media leaks are responsible for this quicker domino effect. The Iraq War plays a part indeed, but to identify it as a major cause requires far more evidence then you've provided. Saying you know lots of stuff and read books doesn't cut it in legitimate debate.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea, you stand for the weapons and ammo being used to kill the protesters at the moment... Made in the USA is stamped on all of them (literally), and the people know this.

    The people do not see any American's protesting in the US for the Egyptian people.. (hell we dont even see it over here), they see what Mubarak allows them to see and what the radical islamists allow them to know.

    We can hope that a moderate secular government and nation comes out of this.. but I am not betting the bank on it that is for sure. At least it wont be the cluster**** of Iraq over again.
    Oh...no protests across Europe for the Egyptian people? Once again seeking to diminish America's efforts in the absence of European sweat? Your anti-Americanism is delicious as is your malicious denials and ignorances.

    Well, business is business sweety. We can hardly be blamed for having allies. Even your country benefits from America's support. What your governments do with our support is up to you because we do not prescribe local agenda or social prescription. If Egypt manages to go through a change, then their new (democratic?) government will also benefit from U.S. support. It is far better to support democratic nations than oppressive ones. Of course, we could have went the European route and merely sought stability in the region by replacing Hussein with another dictator. That way it wouldn't have been a "cluster****." Of course, we are supposed to be better than the European way of things aren't we?

    But, France actually supplies the gross amounts of weapons into Africa.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    It's tiring.
    The "we created Osama" crowd.. and it's twin.. "we supported Saddam".

    Of course, as part of the Cold War we did help the Afghan resistance, and in our fight fight against "Death-to-America" Iran we supported Iraq/Saddam in that War.
    Some have convenient memory loss, or no/selective knowledge of recent history.

    One does what one has to in the world (and unlike other countries, the USA doesn't have the luxury of doing nothing)
    and if those groups Later morph into something else or do something despicable, one adjusts one's position.

    Blaming the USA for what these two became subsequently is the typical carping of the despicable left (or Euro-liberal).
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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Whoa!! Finally a liberal who is getting it.
    Oh sure. All these protestors and global leftists will eventually tie the Tunisias, Egypts and Irans together, but they will senselessy and narrowly cling to the notion that only Iraq's efforts (the biggest positive social disturbance in the recent history) sits outside the regional influence. Eventually, they will even start tying the social andpolitical changes in Saudi, Lebanon, and Syria - but never Iraq where adrenaline was shot into the civilization. It's actually pathetic.

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