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Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

I agree. But he needs to do his job. He needs to stay in the white house and manage a cisis of this magnitude instead of going to parties.

This isn't our crisis and there really isn't anything for him to manage. Best if he just keeps quiet and waits for the outcome. He really should not take sides. He is just being smart.
 
It comes down to convenience. The mujahideen were hardly terrorist when we were dealing with them on the field of combat against the Soviets. They were just religious nuts. But on 9/11, when they attacked civilians for the sake of political murder (the now named Tali-ban and Al-Queda) were. Of course, Al-Queda was named a terrorist organization back when they were murdering military personnel abroad throughout the 90s but who gave a **** about that.

You see, the way this works is that if you can somehow show an American boot or check in the vicinity of today's offenders decades and decades ago then America gets the blame. God only knows what small thing today will one day pass hands, evolve, twist out, and culminate into another reason to drag the U.S. through the mud by our hypocritical critics who today look towards us to solve all the god damn problems that originally started with them.

That's quite right.

When the Americans were helping these people fight the Russian invaders they certainly weren't terrorists. That came much later. Yet the BBC will tell the more impressionable Brits that the Americans funded terrorism and they'll believe it, with no questions asked.

The British government should step in and put a stop to the publicly funded propaganda that goes on in the UK. It's creating a nation of idiots
 
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This isn't our crisis and there really isn't anything for him to manage. Best if he just keeps quiet and waits for the outcome. He really should not take sides. He is just being smart.

I don't agree. Egypt is an American client state. Obama uses the Egyptian military and police for purposes of extraordinary rendition. That means all the information and documentation of America's war on terror will now fall into the hands of America's enemies in the region.

American warships will no longer be able to count on transit of the Suez Canal in the event of a military crisis. This is simply a calamity of the first order for America. And Obama is in charge, so he will be blamed. That's the way the American political system works.
 
They are not hanging Gays or stoning women by a popular vote.

And do you think a non Muslim could ever run for office in Iran?

This is a perfect example of history repeating itself. In Iran the people believed they would be better off without the Shah and Jimmy Carter lost Iran. Today the people believe they will be better off without the current govt. and Obama is about to lose Egypt. The winner is the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic nutjobs.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

I don't agree. Egypt is an American client state. Obama uses the Egyptian military and police for purposes of extraordinary rendition. That means all the information and documentation of America's war on terror will now fall into the hands of America's enemies in the region.

American warships will no longer be able to count on transit of the Suez Canal in the event of a military crisis. This is simply a calamity of the first order for America. And Obama is in charge, so he will be blamed. That's the way the American political system works.

I disagree. We may use Egypt, but this crisis is a revolution in which we can not take sides.
 
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I disagree. We may use Egypt, but this crisis is a revolution in which we can not take sides.

Radical Islam has already taken sides, American business in Egypt is being looted and cries of "Down with America" are being heard all over the area.
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

I disagree. We may use Egypt, but this crisis is a revolution in which we can not take sides.

Actually, one always wants to be on the winning side. Always.

The Egyptian Revolution will become hostile to America because American interests were allied with the oppressors. This is pretty straight forward stuff. Metaphor: Roosting Vultures Eating The Liver Of Prometheus.
 
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Who is up next? I don't know. Maybe the House of Saud. If the Saudis have a brain in their heads they will accommodate Iranian interests.
 
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How do you know?

Well, nobody can ever know for sure, but I have a pretty good understanding of what other people can follow when I write.

Of course, for that particular post, the reader would also require at least a rudimentary understanding of geography as well in order to get it, but since you only focused on the editing, I can be reasonably assured that most people could follow it.

That's a joke right?

No.

America's vital national interests are not affected by Turkish/Armenian relations. My gawd, you're grasping at straws.

A significant positive accomplishment is a significant positive accomplishment. You can try to move the goalposts, but that won't change the fact that it was a significant positive accomplishment.


I love it when people take positions that can't be defended.

I love it when people miss the irony in a comment.

Are you an American?

Yes. Are you an Ethiopian?

Most Americans are interested in furthering the national interests of the American people, not the Muslim Brotherhood.

Most people are clueless about what their real national interests are. They simply believe what they are told by their chosen political party.

That's one of the reasons an appeal to popularity is a fallacy. If the handlers tell them that "promoting democracy" in a certain region is in their national interests, they will support it.

Nevermind that democracy doesn't always lead to the political regime that is in the best interests of the US, that's how the sheep are fed. Hwo else would the politicians get away with "nation-building"?
 
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...Most people are clueless about what their real national interests are....

What are America's national interests in the Middle East and the Maghreb? Can you articulate them?
 
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Radical Islam has already taken sides, American business in Egypt is being looted and cries of "Down with America" are being heard all over the area.

What do you suggest? Invasion?
The US has given Egypt over $60 billion in Aid. Almost all of that money has been used to buy arms and prop up the corrupt government. Why would they not love us?
 
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America...on the road to no where.
 
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This all goes to show that propping up up corrupt dictators will always come back to bite us in the ass.
 
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I disagree. We may use Egypt, but this crisis is a revolution in which we can not take sides.

In general I think the U.S. can, does, and should, take sides in anything that interests us in the known universe.

Whether they do this publicly or not, is weighed on a different set of criteria.

This all goes to show that propping up up corrupt dictators will always come back to bite us in the ass.
What's the alternative. Turn the middle east to glass and hand out land grants to the Japanese so they can stop filling up that teenie-tiny island?
 
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In general I think the U.S. can, does, and should, take sides in anything that interests us in the known universe.

Whether they do this publicly or not, is weighed on a different set of criteria.

OK which side should we take?
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

What are America's national interests in the Middle East and the Maghreb? Can you articulate them?
Oil
Israel
Terrorism/Extremism
 
Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

What do you suggest? Invasion?
The US has given Egypt over $60 billion in Aid. Almost all of that money has been used to buy arms and prop up the corrupt government. Why would they not love us?

What exactly are they going to get by ousting their govt? What did Iran get? A lot of ignorant people cannot think beyond the moment and are being manipulated by individuals who have an end game in mind. Millions of people in the region make their living off war and terrorism. A stong American leader is needed and we don't have one. An invasion, NO, but a presence yes and that includes getting the leaders of the opposition together instead of letting them run stir up the people. The words coming out of this Administration are all over the place. Having a weak leader has its consequences but what the hell, Obama still has his golf and a going away party for someone who is just leaving Washington but not going away.
 
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No. I've become Chinese the way a caterpillar becomes a butterfly.:)

So you are a Chinese citizen?

What are America's national interests in the Middle East and the Maghreb? Can you articulate them?

In a nutshell? Oil. Everything else flows from there, but you take away the Oil and the US wouldn't give two ****s about that sandbox.
 
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What exactly are they going to get by ousting their govt? What did Iran get? A lot of ignorant people cannot think beyond the moment and are being manipulated by individuals who have an end game in mind. Millions of people in the region make their living off war and terrorism. A stong American leader is needed and we don't have one. An invasion, NO, but a presence yes and that includes getting the leaders of the opposition together instead of letting them run stir up the people. The words coming out of this Administration are all over the place. Having a weak leader has its consequences but what the hell, Obama still has his golf and a going away party for someone who is just leaving Washington but not going away.


So you think we should stand with Mubarak? Like we did with the Shah? Iran hates us because we installed the Shah. A ruthless killer that murdered and tortured his own people.

Obama is doing exactly as he should at this time.

A presence in Egypt? The entire mideast would erupt in violence. Our presence has caused enough problems.
 
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Oil
Israel
Terrorism/Extremism

No. America's only interest in the entire world is the absolute and complete extirpation of leftist ideology and dogma in the US.
 
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So you are a Chinese citizen?



In a nutshell? Oil. Everything else flows from there, but you take away the Oil and the US wouldn't give two ****s about that sandbox.

I'm a Fifth Columnist against Leftist Governance. I am the internal enemy that can't be defended against.
 
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