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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Those sentiments reflect the Muslim Brotherhood's understanding that the environment in Egypt is not compatible with Islamist rule. The secular base in Egypt is too broad to be toppled immediately. Hence, if the Muslim Brotherhood wants a voice, it will have to find that voice within the context of a broader political framework. Domination, which would otherwise be its preferred course, is not an option at present. Egypt is not the Iran of 1979 where the base of secularism was visible but very superficial. That base is much more entrenched and enduring in Egypt.

    Taking all that into consideration, the start of a post-Mubarak era (whether it begins after September or some time earlier matters little), will more than likely see pragmatism when it comes to key domestic and foreign policy issues in Egypt. Hence, I do not believe that the first post-Mubarak government would rescind the Egypt-Israel peace agreement, even as some pundits have all but written the demise of the agreement. The major challenges facing such a government would be to lay a path that leads to a more democratic political framework and also one that leads to more robust economic growth necessary to produce meaningful opportunities for Egypt's growing population, especially its younger people. Nonetheless, I suspect that U.S. policy vaccilation on recent Egyptian affairs will lead to a need to reinvigorate the U.S.-Egypt relationship afterward, as perceptions of U.S. reliability among all parties has been undermined to some extent by fluctuating policy statements.
    I think you're way too smart to buy into the MB saying, "oh no! We don't want to run the whole thing.", after 80 years of trying to run the whole thing.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think you're way too smart to buy into the MB saying, "oh no! We don't want to run the whole thing.", after 80 years of trying to run the whole thing.
    I don't believe their long-run aspirations have changed. I believe that right now the Muslim Brotherhood recognizes that it lacks the ability to take power. Hence, it will settle for participation. That participation, however, will seek to lay the groundwork over time for its long-term goals.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Good stuff. Sulei is probably the best choice to lead the interim/transitional gov't right now but prolly not a good long-term solution.

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    Re: "Beginning of the end" for Egypt's Mubarak, as son and wife flee

    Yet, another quagmire for the good ol' USA. I'm certain we will make all the correct calls hereas we have so often since WWII. Hey Obama, bet you never bargained for this!!
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't believe their long-run aspirations have changed. I believe that right now the Muslim Brotherhood recognizes that it lacks the ability to take power. Hence, it will settle for participation. That participation, however, will seek to lay the groundwork over time for its long-term goals.
    I think their, "long-run asperations", could mean 6-12 months.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't believe their long-run aspirations have changed. I believe that right now the Muslim Brotherhood recognizes that it lacks the ability to take power. Hence, it will settle for participation. That participation, however, will seek to lay the groundwork over time for its long-term goals.
    But participation with whom?

    Who else has been preparing, or has the infrastructure prepared, to take Mubarak's place when he finally leaves?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    But participation with whom?

    Who else has been preparing, or has the infrastructure prepared, to take Mubarak's place when he finally leaves?
    That's right. I'm not seeing the Egyptian version of the tea party getting any play.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    What a great day for the world to see this non-violent protest bring about the end of a 30 year dictatorship by Mubarak!!!! The people of Egypt are dancing in the streets!!!
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What a great day for the world to see this non-violent protest bring about the end of a 30 year dictatorship by Mubarak!!!! The people of Egypt are dancing in the streets!!!
    They might not be dancing for long.

    Suleiman: When Egypt's Transitional Figure Won't Transition - TIME

    And, if they don't like that,

    Update: I’m not sure what her source is, but Megyn Kelly’s reporting on Fox that the army plans to “act” against the protesters if they reject the handover of power to Suleiman as not good enough. That’s basically what I argued up above — that the regime’s handing them Mubarak’s scalp to appease them and end the demonstrations, but that the regime will otherwise crawl on roughly as is.

    Chaos in Egypt: Mubarak about to step down? Update: Transferring power to military council? Update: Army will “act” if protesters reject Suleiman Hot Air
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