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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We did no such thing, the war was sold to the American people as Iraq being a threat.
    That may have been the way it was sold, but that was not the core justification. It was a Just War.

    We intentionally removed a government that blocked Western oil from the largest oil reserves on the planet.
    We intentionally removed a government that enslaved its population. We freed the people from subjugation.

    Same way it did when we were his alley in the 80's so evidently we didn't have a problem with that.
    We did not have a problem providing support to dictators to get oil. Hopefully that has changed.

    We unleashed them, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
    We did not unleash them. They chose to fight us.

    Any Iraqi we killed that fought against our invasion, we just call insurgents to justify our killing.
    We were the approved occupying power. They instituted the violence against us.

    Our bungle, allowed the civil war to resume, and you want to take credit for stopping it?
    We were not fighting a counterinsurgency, even though one developed. We corrected that mistake and protected the population. This stopped the civil war. Absolutely we take credit for stopping it.

    So we are now doing the same thing as Saddam did at a the cost of a trillion dollars and thousands of lives we have sacrificed for something Saddam was already doing without our support. Good plan!
    Were we suppressing the opposition with a secret police, torture and murder? I don't think so.

    Ya think!
    Yes. We could have anticipated it better. We disbanded the Army as it was a force of Sunni power, which had to be broken for true democracy to form.

    We allowed the insurgents in!
    How did we do that!? We didn't have control over the border and even if we had there are ways to smuggle past. It is an impossible job keeping them out. We won't be blamed for that.

    I'm a reprobate for questioning an immoral act of aggression to people that were not a threat to us?
    It was NOT an immoral act of aggression.

    Yes, you are a reprobate for not merely assuming the worst on our part, but for talking about it in ways that assigns blame to us for things we are not to blame for, like killing tens of thousands of Iraqis.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its a moral thing, the British just happen to be a bit more moral than our country as a whole.
    That's a hoot!
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    From their perspecctive, that's true. However, let us not deny that they are going to hold a majority of the stroke, when the new government is created.
    That's democracy for ya!
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    There seems to be a long running discussion-in-discussion about the reasons for the Iraq War.
    It's main justification, and Casus belli was Saddam having WMD.
    A credible but, as it turned out, wrong one.

    But probably the main accusation against Bush (and the neocons) was that they were trying to export/"impose democracy".
    And that WAS one of the objectives.

    So Credit as well as blame must be given by war opponents for any success in Iraq and at least to some degree, the further spread of democracy, however clumsily. Yes, it was at horrendous cost to us in Lives and Treasure.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's democracy for ya!
    It is, until the MB cocks everything up.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Glad to hear that, it sure sounds like fear.
    No, it doesn't even sound like fear.

    What inappropriate comments?
    Feeling he can give Hosni instructions, for one. Now it seems that Mubarak is going to stay in power, so where does that leave Obama?

    Poor BHO has an entire omelet on his face!

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its a moral thing, the British just happen to be a bit more moral than our country as a whole.
    Whatever, but you lose credibility in pretending to be American.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That may have been the way it was sold, but that was not the core justification
    .

    Yes, I know what the core justification was. The largest oil reserves in the world had banned Western oil.

    We intentionally removed a government that enslaved its population. We freed the people from subjugation.
    No we enabled a new corrupt government to set up shop (one that will allow Western oil back in after 36 years of being banned) which we prop up with our military because it can't stand against its own people.

    We did not have a problem providing support to dictators to get oil. Hopefully that has changed.
    We'll see in Egypt.

    [QUOTE]We did not unleash them. They chose to fight us[/QUOTE)

    I must have missed the Iraqi attack on America. When was this?

    We were the approved occupying power. They instituted the violence against us.
    Approved by whom, the puppet government we set up?

    We were not fighting a counterinsurgency, even though one developed. We corrected that mistake and protected the population. This stopped the civil war. Absolutely we take credit for stopping it
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    Figures we would take credit for something we started. All part of our justification for killing for oil, so we can feel good about ourselves!


    Were we suppressing the opposition with a secret police, torture and murder? I don't think so.
    **** that ****, we have bombs and tanks to do our killing for us!

    Yes. We could have anticipated it better. We disbanded the Army as it was a force of Sunni power, which had to be broken for true democracy to form
    .

    What true democracy? Is a corrupt puppet government we set up and have to protect from its own people what you call a democracy?

    How did we do that!?
    By invading and occupying a country that was not a threat to us. That brought in people from all over the region that hate us and the Iraqis, including most of the suicide bombers who were Saudi. Where were the insurgents before our invasion?

    I can tell right from wrong by myself, thanks.

    Yes, you are a reprobate for not merely assuming the worst on our part, but for talking about it in ways that assigns blame to us for things we are not to blame for, like killing tens of thousands of Iraqis.
    Look if it makes you feel better to pretend that we invaded Iraq for any and every reason other than our own self-interest in the world's largest remaining oil reserves, knock yourself out. Just don't expect the majority of the country to buy it any longer. The cat is already out of the bag.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It is, until the MB cocks everything up.
    Ah, don't be skeered, we still have more WMD than anyone in the world.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Whatever, but you lose credibility in pretending to be American.
    Because a real American would not put morals before greed? Believe it or not, there are still a few of us that place morals above greed.
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