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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    With support from the US!

    "The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism."
    U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration for lack of "critical thinking" in Iraq

    "Washington, D.C., 25 February 2003 - The National Security Archive at George Washington University today published on the Web a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980's, including the renewal of diplomatic relations that had been suspended since 1967. The documents show that during this period of renewed U.S. support for Saddam, he had invaded his neighbor (Iran), had long-range nuclear aspirations that would "probably" include "an eventual nuclear weapon capability," harbored known terrorists in Baghdad, abused the human rights of his citizens, and possessed and used chemical weapons on Iranians and his own people. The U.S. response was to renew ties, to provide intelligence and aid to ensure Iraq would not be defeated by Iran, and to send a high-level presidential envoy named Donald Rumsfeld to shake hands with Saddam (20 December 1983)."
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    So we supported gassing the Kurds. Got it.

    We're horrible.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    There was no insurgency initially. The people did decide to fight back, but they not only fought us, they killed innocent Iraqis by the thousands. They also sought sectarian violence and started a civil war. The blood is on their hands, predominantly, not ours. So statements such that we killed tens of thousands of Iraqis is complete bull****.
    Let's review. We invade and militarily occupy a country that is of no threat to us, destabilizing the government that prevented a civil war in the country, killing those that tried to defend their country against a foreign occupation, a civil war breaks out between the warring factions that the previous government kept in check, but this all the Iraqis fault?

    Is that your reasoning?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So we supported gassing the Kurds. Got it.

    We're horrible.
    You may be proud of our support of Saddam during the most ruthless part of his reign, I am not.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You may be proud of our support of Saddam during the most ruthless part of his reign, I am not.
    So we're damned for supporting him, and we're damned for eliminating him.

    Do you prefer the Darfur approach where we just stand idly by and act like it's not happening?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nazi Germany sought to exclude a segment of its population just as you advocate doing in Egypt.
    Germany is doing the same thing by outlawing the nazi party. Is Germany a democratic country?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You may be proud of our support of Saddam during the most ruthless part of his reign, I am not.
    Yet, you claim that Saddam was preventing the civil war that--you claim--we created.

    Can't have your cake and eat it, too,
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Yet, you claim that Saddam was preventing the civil war that--you claim--we created.

    Can't have your cake and eat it, too,
    What???? There are 3 main factions in Iraq. Saddam, though a SOB, managed to keep the 3 factions from warring with one another. We removed the stabilizing factor and the 3 warring factions picked up where they left off.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What???? There are 3 main factions in Iraq. Saddam, though a SOB, managed to keep the 3 factions from warring with one another. We removed the stabilizing factor and the 3 warring factions picked up where they left off.
    That's great! I love it!

    By that logic, we should keep propping up Mubarack.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    The MB takeover of the Egyptian government is going to just awesome!

    While the parallels between Iran in 1979 and Egypt in 2011 can be overdrawn, it is foolish to pretend that they are not there. Cairo doesn’t have to literally become a Sunni version of Tehran to do terrible damage to U.S. interests and prestige in the Middle East—and to the hopes and dreams of its own people. And the Egyptians already have their own prospective Khomeini: Yussuf al-Qaradawi, the Qatar-based Muslim Brotherhood preacher who exiled himself from Egypt in 1961.

    Jewel of the Nile - by Lee Smith > Tablet Magazine - A New Read on Jewish Life
    This cat's awesome!

    Here, for example, is Qaradawi speaking about the Holocaust to the audience of his popular Al Jazeera television show on January 30, 2009:

    "Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them—even though they exaggerated this issue—he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers."

    Jewel of the Nile - by Lee Smith > Tablet Magazine - A New Read on Jewish Life
    Is this all that democracy and human rights we've been hearing about?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    So we're damned for supporting him, and we're damned for eliminating him.
    We are rightfully dammed for supporting him when he was a threat to his neighbors, and we were rightfully damned for eliminating him when he was not.

    There I corrected your statement.

    Do you prefer the Darfur approach where we just stand idly by and act like it's not happening?
    No, I expect us not make matters worse by removing them from the terrorists listing and providing intelligence and chemical weapons components.
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