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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He says after we've killed tens of thousands and displaced millions of innocent Iraqis all for our "strategic" (oil) interest.
    And what's happened to these Strategic oil interests? Who's making the money? Getting the free oil?

    Do you think it was cheaper for the United States to invade Iraq and, as you say, spend tens of thousands (many millions actually) than just buy oil by the barrel?

    What do you think the savings might have been and how much did the United States profit by the invasion?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    U.S. alienates all sides in Egypt conflict - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    are the journolisters spinning, or do you see what everyone else sees?

    are you sure this white house knows what it's doing?
    Obama is alleged to be a very smart guy but I've seen some not so smart people at least know when to shut up.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You should of thought of that before you removed the one person keeping the civil war at bay and keeping Iran out of Iraq. The civil war is going to resume whenever we stop propping up the new corrupt regime with our military. How many more trillions do you think we can afford to spend in Iraq holding off the inevitable?
    Exactly!!

    I'm no Rhodes Scholar, but while Bush jr was trying to whip the UN into a WMD frenzy to allow an invasion of Iraq, I was screaming at the tv (and in many political forums) that a pre-emptive invasion of a country who did not threaten us was not only barbarous and illegal, it was the epitome of insanity. Saddam was an SOB, but he was the only thing keeping the country from erupting into a bloody civil war, one which would not end until only one faction was left standing. Only a fool wouldn't realize this would be the inevitable result and naturally, it has been.

    We gave them democracy? Riiiight. Hell, it's been 7 years and last I heard Iraq's government had not met in one place for years, because the bickering sides couldn't agree on how to even open a parlimentary session. And thanks to us, there is now a fourth faction in Iraq... Al Qaeda. One thing about Saddam, he utterly dispised Al Qaeda and would never have tolerated their presence on Iraqi soil. But we managed to bring them running, and now Iraq is full of 'em.

    Meanwhil, Iran eyes Iraq's Shi'a majority and rubs its hands, dreaming of a Greater Persia scenario.

    Iraq's infrastructure is still in tatters, most of the country still doesn't even have electricity and piped water (which they had before we blew them all up), no matter which faction an Iraqi belongs to, the members of three other factions are trying to kill them, there are bombs in the street every other week blowing civilians straight to Allah...

    Bah. Nothing good came out of this "war". We left nothing but ruins, bodies and dead soldiers.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    why did obama ESCALATE afghanistan?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Back on the Topic.
    The demo seemed to be fading -accepting the September change- and Egypt seemed to be returning to normal but....

    Egypt protesters seek to spread beyond Tahrir Square - CSMonitor.com
    Dan Murphy, February 9, 2011

    The largest demonstrations yet against President Hosni Mubarak swelled Cairo's Tahrir Square last night - after young Google executive Wael Ghonim revitalized Egypt's democracy movement with an emotional TV interview upon his release from secret detention.

    That massive turnout was a slap to government efforts to reach out to Gradualist reform figures and simultaneously undermine the protests by painting the demonstrators as agents of foreign powers.

    Now, organizers are aware that Tahrir Square, also known as Liberation Square, is becoming something of a democracy ghetto and are pushing to establish other beachheads around the city and across the country.

    “There are discussions of liberating other squares,” says Alaa Abd El-Fattah, a blogger and democracy activist who returned home from exile after the protests broke out."..."
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And what's happened to these Strategic oil interests?

    "Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before the Iraqi parliament within days.

    The US government has been involved in drawing up the law, a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday. It would give big oil companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil interests in the country since the industry was nationalised in 1972."
    Western Oil Companies a Step Away from Iraq's 'Prize' | World | AlterNet
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    U.S. alienates all sides in Egypt conflict - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    are the journolisters spinning, or do you see what everyone else sees?

    are you sure this white house knows what it's doing?
    This is why we should have kept our mouths shut. Now the ruthless dictator we used to get along with is now going to be the ruthless dictator that bears a grudge against us.

    Unless we want to "Saddam Hussein" this bastard, we might want to measure ourselves. Israel played this smartly. Our doofus, of course, did not.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Exactly!!

    I'm no Rhodes Scholar, but while Bush jr was trying to whip the UN into a WMD frenzy to allow an invasion of Iraq, I was screaming at the tv (and in many political forums) that a pre-emptive invasion of a country who did not threaten us was not only barbarous and illegal, it was the epitome of insanity. Saddam was an SOB, but he was the only thing keeping the country from erupting into a bloody civil war, one which would not end until only one faction was left standing. Only a fool wouldn't realize this would be the inevitable result and naturally, it has been.

    We gave them democracy? Riiiight. Hell, it's been 7 years and last I heard Iraq's government had not met in one place for years, because the bickering sides couldn't agree on how to even open a parlimentary session. And thanks to us, there is now a fourth faction in Iraq... Al Qaeda. One thing about Saddam, he utterly dispised Al Qaeda and would never have tolerated their presence on Iraqi soil. But we managed to bring them running, and now Iraq is full of 'em.

    Meanwhil, Iran eyes Iraq's Shi'a majority and rubs its hands, dreaming of a Greater Persia scenario.

    Iraq's infrastructure is still in tatters, most of the country still doesn't even have electricity and piped water (which they had before we blew them all up), no matter which faction an Iraqi belongs to, the members of three other factions are trying to kill them, there are bombs in the street every other week blowing civilians straight to Allah...

    Bah. Nothing good came out of this "war". We left nothing but ruins, bodies and dead soldiers.
    Seven whole years, eh? You think America put democracy into place in seven years?

    It takes decades to put in place what we have, and there's still only about a 10 percent chance it will take root. (in that part of the world, probably 1 percent or less of a chance)

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before the Iraqi parliament within days.

    The US government has been involved in drawing up the law, a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday. It would give big oil companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil interests in the country since the industry was nationalised in 1972."
    Western Oil Companies a Step Away from Iraq's 'Prize' | World | AlterNet
    WOW!!

    That is great news for the Iraqi people and their economy!

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    WOW!!

    That is great news for the Iraqi people and their economy!
    This is the only chance they have. We're going to build them an economy while we protect them military during the process.

    The United States is so evil.

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