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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are viewing Iraqi's actions through the eyes of a very different culture. Iraq's culture has been one of violence through much of its existence. I don't believe "the Iraqi people are all demented religious fanatics with no hope whatsoever for their future." I believe that in the absence of the dictator Saddam, our military occupation is now required to keep the three main factions from a civil war. Since we cannot afford an indefinite military occupation of Iraq, together with the fact that we have signed an agreement to have all our troops out of Iraq by the end of the year, its logical to assume the civil war will continue until they agree on how to run their country.
    So the troops should leave Iraq, we can let the slaughter begin, and then we'll deal with the winner?

    That's a plan.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    another day, another position



    U.S. and Egypt: U.S. eases off call for swift Egypt reform - latimes.com

    cfr's gelb, of course, was right---this addled admin of amateurs is all over the map

    embarrassed yet?
    What's really frightening is that he might fool enough of the American people a second time, that he's more experienced now and has grown into the job.

    That thought should keep many of us up nights.

    Even the Europeans have lost the tingle.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So the troops should leave Iraq, we can let the slaughter begin, and then we'll deal with the winner?

    That's a plan.
    You should of thought of that before you removed the one person keeping the civil war at bay and keeping Iran out of Iraq. The civil war is going to resume whenever we stop propping up the new corrupt regime with our military. How many more trillions do you think we can afford to spend in Iraq holding off the inevitable?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You should of thought of that before you removed the one person keeping the civil war at bay and keeping Iran out of Iraq. The civil war is going to resume whenever we stop propping up the new corrupt regime with our military. How many more trillions do you think we can afford to spend in Iraq holding off the inevitable?
    So no matter what the Americans do, the Iraqi people are destined to attack and murder each other.

    Just out of curiousity, Catawba, which is your favourite and most reliable source for what's going on in the world?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So no matter what the Americans do, the Iraqi people are destined to attack and murder each other.
    We really won't know what the Iraqis will do until the foreign military occupation of their country has ended.

    Just out of curiousity, Catawba, which is your favourite and most reliable source for what's going on in the world?
    My eyes and ears, how about you?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    We really won't know what the Iraqis will do until the foreign military occupation of their country has ended.
    But you're willing to take the risk, despite your assuredness that they will immediately commence to killing each other.



    My eyes and ears, how about you?
    No favourite media then? Nothing you find to be the most reliable?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You should of thought of that before you removed the one person keeping the civil war at bay and keeping Iran out of Iraq. The civil war is going to resume whenever we stop propping up the new corrupt regime with our military. How many more trillions do you think we can afford to spend in Iraq holding off the inevitable?
    So it's all about money then.

    You didn't strike me as a running dog capitalist, but who can ever tell?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So it's all about money then.

    You didn't strike me as a running dog capitalist, but who can ever tell?
    He says after we've killed tens of thousands and displaced millions of innocent Iraqis all for our "strategic" (oil) interest.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He says after we've killed tens of thousands and displaced millions of innocent Iraqis all for our "strategic" (oil) interest.
    We didn't kill tens of thousands, the insurgency did. Blame the right party.

    We didn't displace millions of Iraqis, many of whom aren't so innocent - former Baathists. The majority of the displaced Iraqis are Sunnis. They chose to leave the country.

    The strategic interest was to spread democracy in a region locked up by dictators, fomenting terrorism. We could have easily canceled the sanctions and helped to rebuild Iraq's oil industry, if it were about oil.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    As Egypt’s popular uprising enters its third week, the Obama administration is contemplating the prospect that President Hosni Mubarak or his allies will continue to lead Egypt for the foreseeable future — and that the United States may be in the ironic position of needing to shore up relations with a world leader who’s been a close ally for decades.

    The White House has sought to walk a tightrope, projecting general support for protesters without humiliating Mubarak, alienating Egypt’s powerful military leaders or unduly alarming other Arab autocrats. But the administration has slipped several times over the past two weeks, and the missteps have pretty uniformly betrayed a bias for Mubarak and the regional stability he brings. The most striking example came when diplomatic envoy Frank Wisner — sent to push Mubarak aside — declared several days later that he felt the Egyptian president should stay.

    But the improvisational — critics say closer to schizophrenic — nature of U.S. diplomacy during the crisis leaves the administration in the unwelcome position of having to make amends with whichever side emerges from the Egyptian tumult as the governing power. The anti-Mubarak forces clearly will wonder whether the White House ever had their back — but Mubarak and those close to him also will question whether Washington was ready to throw him over the side.
    U.S. alienates all sides in Egypt conflict - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    are the journolisters spinning, or do you see what everyone else sees?

    are you sure this white house knows what it's doing?

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