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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is not a democracy when it cannot stand against its own people without our military occupation.
    Sure it is.

    Egypt also had a democracy, on paper, just like in Iraq. And it is not going to stand against its people for much longer either it appears.
    No, Egypt has a dictatorship. President for life man. Hopefully it will not stand.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Sure it is.
    You have a right to your opinion.

    No, Egypt has a dictatorship.
    Effectively, yes, the elections were rigged, just like in claims about the corrupt Iraqi government.

    But, Egypt has elections: "The President of the Republic is elected for a six-year term by popular vote. This election mechanism has been in place since a May 2005 amendment to the Egyptian Constitution. Previously, the president was nominated by the People's Assembly and the nomination was confirmed by popular referendum."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Egypt

    Hopefully it will not stand.
    Agreed.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Sunni and Shi'a are different factions but they are both ordinary Iraqi people. They were in conflict long before our military occupation and they will, more likely than not, resume their conflict once we remove our 35,000 combat ready troops.
    "Ordinary people" do not detonate people in grocery stores, restaurants and bus stops. Only the most twisted of human beings can ever do that.

    While you might believe that the Iraqi people are all demented religious fanatics with no hope whatsoever for their future, others certainly disagree.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Agreed.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't believe this is a fair characterization. Over time, the U.S. presence in Western Europe became strictly about assisting with national security (against the U.S.S.R. and its allies)/the global balance of power, not about helping maintain law/order/internal stability. In Iraq, the diminishing U.S. presence is still largely focused on the latter.
    While we can rationalize the for troops on foreign soil the fact is that they are still troops on foreign soil.

    And from the American point of view, the 'War To End All Wars' continued another couple of decades later and they wanted no further problems with aggressive European powers. It was cheaper and cost fewer lives to just keep the troops there.

    Keeping the Communists in check and out of Western Europe did maintain the stability in the region, otherwise the Western Europeans would have been in the same situation as their Eastern counterparts.

    Of course the Western Europeans have always been grateful for the sacrifices and treasure the American people have spent on their defense.

    Just kidding!
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Ordinary people" do not detonate people in grocery stores, restaurants and bus stops. Only the most twisted of human beings can ever do that.

    While you might believe that the Iraqi people are all demented religious fanatics with no hope whatsoever for their future, others certainly disagree.
    You are viewing Iraqi's actions through the eyes of a very different culture. Iraq's culture has been one of violence through much of its existence. I don't believe "the Iraqi people are all demented religious fanatics with no hope whatsoever for their future." I believe that in the absence of the dictator Saddam, our military occupation is now required to keep the three main factions from a civil war. Since we cannot afford an indefinite military occupation of Iraq, together with the fact that we have signed an agreement to have all our troops out of Iraq by the end of the year, its logical to assume the civil war will continue until they agree on how to run their country.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    another day, another position

    The Obama administration has reconciled itself to gradual political reform in Egypt, an approach that reflects its goal of maintaining stability in the Middle East but is at odds with demands of the protest movement in Cairo that President Hosni Mubarak relinquish power immediately.

    A week after the Obama administration demanded a swift transition to a post-Mubarak era, it has dampened the sense of urgency and aligned itself with power-brokers such as new Vice President Omar Suleiman, who are urging a more stable, if much slower, move to real democracy.

    But U.S. officials privately acknowledged that there is no guarantee that Suleiman, a former intelligence chief closely aligned with the military, is committed to substantial reforms.
    U.S. and Egypt: U.S. eases off call for swift Egypt reform - latimes.com

    cfr's gelb, of course, was right---this addled admin of amateurs is all over the map

    embarrassed yet?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    another day, another position



    U.S. and Egypt: U.S. eases off call for swift Egypt reform - latimes.com

    cfr's gelb, of course, was right---this addled admin of amateurs is all over the map

    embarrassed yet?
    ****ing hell.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are ignoring that Germany was an actual threat to its neighbors. The Pentagon/CIA determined that Iraq was not a threat to its neighbors since 1992.
    Germany wasn't a threat to it's neighbors until she invaded them.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Germany wasn't a threat to it's neighbors until she invaded them.
    What is your point? Iraq hasn't had the capacity to invade anyone since 1991.
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