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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It seems he's saying that his disgust with the left has made him so radicalized in opposition to them that even if the figurehead of "the left" does something right he's unwilling to acknowledge it or even view it as such because he thinks the only way to "kill the snake" is to "cut off its head" (in this case, the most powerful person on the left in this country) at all costs. Essentially, that he's become so radical that disagreeing with Obama on something Obama is theoritically "correct" on is the better option in his mind because it makes the long term goal of removing Obama easier, and thus he's willing to essentially be wrong on an issue in the short term by opposing what Obama's doing because it'll do better for his radical view in the long term.
    Well said.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It seems he's saying that his disgust with the left has made him so radicalized in opposition to them that even if the figurehead of "the left" does something right he's unwilling to acknowledge it or even view it as such because he thinks the only way to "kill the snake" is to "cut off its head" (in this case, the most powerful person on the left en elin this country) at all costs. Essentially, that he's become so radical that disagreeing with Obama on something Obama is theoritically "correct" on is the better option in his mind because it makes the long term goal of removing Obama easier, and thus he's willing to essentially be wrong on an issue in the short term by opposing what Obama's doing because it'll do better for his radical view in the long term.
    He's already admitted, elucidated his philosophy early on here.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059252360

    It was a bit of shocker for me:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059252501

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert
    I do not have Obama's best interests at heart. I do not have the American Left's best interests at heart. I have been radicalized by the Left.
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    This is the recipe for a destructive/non-objective answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Albert
    Political nihilism is the path that I am on....
    but Albert does make some very good points. You just have to view his posts through black-colored glasses when it comes to anything domestic-political.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Back to the thread......there are 82 million people in Egypt. Are their thoughts and wishes represented by these few people in the Square?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    I have lived most of my adult life under the yoke of leftist governance. I have been forced to dissemble, cooperate, and even contribute to their corruption in order to get ahead.

    I feel no need to dissemble on DP. Indeed, I wield inconvienent truths as a sword to slay their morale. Knowledge of the existence of implacable domestic enemies who will not stop until their world is destroyed has a disquieting effect on leftist morale.

    American leftists will miss George Bush and those who would make peace with them in the illusion that ideological coexistence was possible.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I have lived most of my adult life under the yoke of leftist governance. I have been forced to dissemble, cooperate, and even contribute to their corruption in order to get ahead.

    I feel no need to dissemble on DP. Indeed, I wield inconvienent truths as a sword to slay their morale. Knowledge of the existence of implacable domestic enemies who will not stop until their world is destroyed has a disquieting effect on leftist morale.

    American leftists will miss George Bush and those who would make peace with them in the illusion that ideological coexistence was possible.
    Californian huh? Joking

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Hmm, OK. Let's do that. The hotbeds of fundamentalism in the ME...that would be Gaza, Yemen, Somalia, and Iran. The first three are desperately poor failed states; the latter is an oil-rich Shiite country. None of them have much in common with the larger Sunni Arab states.
    Poverty...start there...

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Poverty...start there...
    The most radical are not the poor.

    The commonality is Islam.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I guess that is a legitimate point. But I wonder where the reduction of the power of the King John over his Barons constitutes a democratic breakout. The Magna Carta was signed in the early 13th century. Things thereafter remained in stasis until the European enlightenment and the English Revolution. Please correct me if I am mistaken. I am happy to learn from someone like you.
    you're awesome, mr di salvo, please keep doing exactly what you're doing

    edward the first, longshanks, the english justinian, rather codified the power of parliament to approve or not major national expenses, he felt his military excursions into scotland would be bolstered by baronial support, he felt he needed the muscle of the nation behind him...

    longshanks is the guy in mel gibson's braveheart who throws his son edward 2's boyfriend out the castle window cuz he was gay and just so insufferably arrogant

    edward 2 died in a barrel of malmsey in berkeley castle in 1327 on the eve of his son edward 3's initiation of the hundred years war, fought over edward 3's assertion of his great great great grandfather henry plantagenet's claims to anjou, aquitaine, normandy

    henry 2, husband of eleanor, is of course killer of becket, as well as father of couer de lion, john and the usurper son henry 3

    henry 2, one of the greatest figures of the hi middle ages, thus embodies so many of the characteristics in his story of shakespeare's tragic lear, betrayed by his offspring

    we later have the short parliament of pym, the long parliament that became the protectorate of the pilgrim cromwell before the restoration in the form of the stuarts which the second james betrayed by having a son who was sure to be raised catholic, leading to the glorious revolution of 1688, the invitation by the tory parliament of william of orange to assume

    in france we have similar if slower rises of parliamentary power at the expense of royalty, reversed of course by the sun king, louis 14, who died in 1715, followed by his successors grandson and great grandson, both political incompetents who ruled between em almost a century

    in italy, venice is for a thousand years a "republic" (really more of an oligarchy), but control is divided amongst the hundred or so leading families of the rialto, and venice politics is probably most famous for its stability

    the poles' great middle kingdom of the late middle ages was famously undone by the parliamentary privilege of any one junker to veto in the sejm any national resolve

    of course there's periclean athens, there's republican rome which outgrew the ability of the patrician hills to control, too dependent on great men, individuals, to wield their work faraway, men like marius, sulla, pompey and naturally caesar

    these generals grew far more powerful than the cicero's and cato's collectively, the traditions of republican forms tho were half a millenium old and honored, it took a great deal of machination on the part of the patricians to push the caesars to cross that ultimate divide

    tacitus' germanica attempts in about 100 pages to describe the various tribes to the north which would ultimately undo the empire, their physical and military characteristics, their cultures and politics

    and the german tribes on the other sides of the rhine and danube were remarkably democratic, according to the greatest of the source writers, rome's greatest historian/analyst, son in law of agricola the great governor of roman britain, about 117 ad

    fyi

    thanks for the opportunity to discuss my only intellectual love greater than politics

    keep up the good work
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Poverty...start there...
    I agree, the hotbeds of terrorism in the Arab world (e.g. Gaza and Yemen) are very poor. Most other Arab countries are not. That's why I'm not too worried about jihadists overrunning the Egyptian government anytime soon. Egypt might have high unemployment, but it's far more economically developed than failed states like Gaza and Yemen.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The most radical are not the poor.

    The commonality is Islam.
    There are plenty of Islamic countries (even Arab countries) that aren't breeding grounds for terrorists in the same way that Gaza and Yemen are. The best way to reduce terrorism is to eliminate the conditions in which it thrives: Desperate poverty and a weak state.
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