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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Of course they are!

    It was only a matter of time, before it becamse our fault.

    It's that kind of stupidity that get's the United States involved in their countrie. Why can't they seem to see the pattern?
    Their anger at the United States is quite valid. We have been propping up Mubarak for decades through military aid and diplomatic cover. That may or may not have been a wise policy, but I'd be pissed off too if some foreign country was denying me the right to self-determination.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    If it is democratic and they vote in Islamic fundamentalists, then it is their choice... so long as they can vote them out too... just as we can vote out our socialist fundamentalists.

    Iranian fundamentalists don't seem too popular, nor did they vote in a mess of them in Iraq.

    Interesting aside... when Iraq was undergoing its transition from the totalitarian, rape room regime... how many times did we hear Libs say not all societies are oriented towards democracy and mocked Bush 43?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Their anger at the United States is quite valid. We have been propping up Mubarak for decades through military aid and diplomatic cover. That may or may not have been a wise policy, but I'd be pissed off too if some foreign country was denying me the right to self-determination.
    Maybe the Islamofacists shouldn't have assassinated Sadat?

    Anyway, we haven't been propping up Mubarack. That's nuts.

    Perhaps the Egyptians should look at themselves for allowing Mubarack to stay in office for 29 years.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Maybe the Islamofacists shouldn't have assassinated Sadat?
    And that has what to do with US support for Mubarak for the last 30 years?

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    Anyway, we haven't been propping up Mubarack. That's nuts.
    The US gives more military aid to Egypt than any other country in the world except Israel. In fact, we give more military aid to Egypt than to all the rest of Africa combined.

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    Perhaps the Egyptians should look at themselves for allowing Mubarack to stay in office for 29 years.
    Maybe they would have been less inclined to "allow" him to stay in office if he didn't have American-made guns pointed at them.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Interesting aside... when Iraq was undergoing its transition from the totalitarian, rape room regime... how many times did we hear Libs say not all societies are oriented towards democracy and mocked Bush 43?
    There's a difference between allowing a country that wants democracy to have it without propping up their dictator, and actively invading a country to impose democracy upon them. The common theme in both Egypt and Iraq is that the American policy has been to decide their government for them.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Arab world unrest has Jordan's king under pressure

    AMMAN, Jordan (AP) — Unrest ripping across the Arab world is putting pressure on Jordan's King Abdullah II, a key U.S. ally who has been making promises of reform in recent days in an apparent attempt to quell domestic discontent over economic degradation and lack of political freedoms.

    After two weeks of widespread protests inspired by the revolt that overthrew Tunisia's autocratic president, Abdullah has promised reforms in meetings with members of parliament, former prime ministers, civil society institutions and even Jordan's largest opposition group, the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood Movement....
    Arab world convulsing as protests hit streets | The Australian
    January 29, 2011 12:00AM

    THE popular unrest sweeping across the Middle East has sent thousands of protesters into the streets of Yemen, Algeria and Jordan, as questions mounted over who will benefit from the convulsions in the Arab world.

    Thousands marched through the Yemeni capital Sanaa yesterday, in one of the largest protests seen in the autocratic nation in years. Secularist and Islamist protesters intermingled to shout for the removal of President Ali Abdullah Saleh, a key US ally in the global fight against terrorism, whose government has long been criticised domestically for repression and corruption.

    The government of Algeria was considering a broad government shuffle amid two weeks of sporadic rioting there.

    In Jordan, the Islamist opposition has called for protests and warned that it would continue campaigning to force political and economic reform in the kingdom...
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Their anger at the United States is quite valid. We have been propping up Mubarak for decades through military aid and diplomatic cover. That may or may not have been a wise policy, but I'd be pissed off too if some foreign country was denying me the right to self-determination.
    Not to mention, the BBC guys picked up some of the rubber bullets shot at close range at protesters... Made in the USA was stamped on them.

    EDIT. No it was Sky News guys.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Maybe the Islamofacists shouldn't have assassinated Sadat?
    They assassinated him because he made peace with Israel and "very good friends" with the US.

    Anyway, we haven't been propping up Mubarack. That's nuts.
    Direct military aid of over 1 billion dollars. Add in indirect military aid and other security aid and training and Egypt gets the most aid of any nation other than Iraq and Afghanistan.. even more than Israel.

    Perhaps the Egyptians should look at themselves for allowing Mubarack to stay in office for 29 years.
    What a typical right wing cop out.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If it is democratic and they vote in Islamic fundamentalists, then it is their choice... so long as they can vote them out too... just as we can vote out our socialist fundamentalists.
    They were voted for, and Mubarak annulled the election result and banned the party.

    Iranian fundamentalists don't seem too popular, nor did they vote in a mess of them in Iraq.
    LOL yea live in that dream world. The Iranian fundamentalists funded a huge portion of Shia parties and even some Sunni parties. They have far bigger influence in Iraq than the US has, and that is scary.

    Interesting aside... when Iraq was undergoing its transition from the totalitarian, rape room regime... how many times did we hear Libs say not all societies are oriented towards democracy and mocked Bush 43?
    Boy I guess Fox News does not report from Iraq anymore? The torture and rape rooms are in full swing in Iraq, run by the sitting government, local militias and various factions. The torture and murder of people did not stop just because Saddam was kicked out.. just the other side doing it now... and of course the US soldiers as we all know.

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    Documents also show that U.S. interrogators continued to question Iraqi detainees, some of whom were still recovering from injuries or whose wounds were still visible after being held by Iraqi security forces
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Direct military aid of over 1 billion dollars. Add in indirect military aid and other security aid and training and Egypt gets the most aid of any nation other than Iraq and Afghanistan.. even more than Israel.
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    That's not the case and i haven't seen any sort of evidence to suggest this is true. However they do recieve the 3rd largest aid handout by the US.

    This is just another case of American interests Vs American values and the Obama administration is in effect balancing its weight on a rope suspended high in the air.
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