[QUOTE=MSgt;1059264696...Before France, there was no democratic tradition in greater Europe either. How dare they have a beginning.
Are you aware that the first Caliphate was democraticaly elected by the elders?...[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with your analysis. Long before the French Revolution there were seeds of democracy planted in European soil. The Age of Enlightenment in the 17th and 18th centuries created fertile soil that people like Locke, Rosseau and a host of other philosophers used to resurrect the ideal of democracy that was first born in Ancient Greece in the Era of Pericles and Solon.
It was Enlightenment Europe that gave intellectual birth to the American Revolution. And it was French veterans who fought under Rochambeau during the American Revolution who took those revolutionary ideas back to Bourbon France where they simmered, and then exploded.
I will not address the notion that the consensus of a handful of elders in selecting a Caliph constitutes democracy. I don't feel the need.