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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei says that America is on the verge of irreparable defeat in the Middle East as a result of the toppling dominos in Tunisia and Egypt. Imo America is simply irrelevant now.
    Transcend the nonesense and the rhertoric. A possible democratic Middle East defeats the mother of democracy across the Atlantic? Make sense.

    A democratic Middle East defeats the Ayatollah and virtually every single religious nut in the region. Why else do you think religious theocracies and Islamic extremists fear it so? Why else do you think Ahmenedejad was the Iranian Majlis' choice as a leader? Why else do you think Al-Queda rushed to disrupt the Iraqi democratic progress at every turn and tried to so hard to ignite tribal slaughter as a suitable alternative? Do you think that Al-Queda is happy with the progressing democracy in the center of the Arab world? Do you think the Tali-Ban wants Afghainstan to achieve something greater than the oppression they prescribed? And with virtually every single Sunni terrorist in the last 50 years being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, do you not think they learned that they could use "democracy" to get the democratic leaning majority in the region to choose them to power? What's happening in the Middle East will eventually make Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenbei irrelevent. Not the U.S.

    The fact is that these types of people can't survive the way they wish in a society where the people have a choice in regards to their destinies.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Transcend the nonesense and the rhertoric. A possible democratic Middle East defeats the mother of democracy across the Atlantic? Make sense.

    A democratic Middle East defeats the Ayatollah and virtually every single religious nut in the region. Why else do you think religious theocracies and Islamic extremists fear it so? Why else do you think Ahmenedejad was the Iranian Majlis' choice as a leader? Why else do you think Al-Queda rushed to disrupt the Iraqi democratic progress at every turn and tried to so hard to ignite tribal slaughter as a suitable alternative? Do you think that Al-Queda is happy with the progressing democracy in the center of the Arab world? Do you think the Tali-Ban wants Afghainstan to achieve something greater than the oppression they prescribed? And with virtually every single Sunni terrorist in the last 50 years being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, do you not think they learned that they could use "democracy" to get the democratic leaning majority in the region to choose them to power? What's happening in the Middle East will eventually make Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenbei irrelevent. Not the U.S.

    The fact is that these types of people can't survive the way they wish in a society where the people have a choice in regards to their destinies.


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Transcend the nonesense and the rhertoric. A possible democratic Middle East defeats the mother of democracy across the Atlantic? Make sense.

    A democratic Middle East defeats the Ayatollah and virtually every single religious nut in the region. Why else do you think religious theocracies and Islamic extremists fear it so? Why else do you think Ahmenedejad was the Iranian Majlis' choice as a leader? Why else do you think Al-Queda rushed to disrupt the Iraqi democratic progress at every turn and tried to so hard to ignite tribal slaughter as a suitable alternative? Do you think that Al-Queda is happy with the progressing democracy in the center of the Arab world? Do you think the Tali-Ban wants Afghainstan to achieve something greater than the oppression they prescribed? And with virtually every single Sunni terrorist in the last 50 years being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, do you not think they learned that they could use "democracy" to get the democratic leaning majority in the region to choose them to power? What's happening in the Middle East will eventually make Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenbei irrelevent. Not the U.S.

    The fact is that these types of people can't survive the way they wish in a society where the people have a choice in regards to their destinies.
    1. There is no democratic tradition in the Arab world. None. It takes a very long time to develop a democratic leaning intelligentsia. Egypt is not Poland or Hungary that had prior democratic experience.

    2. Hezbollah has just taken over the Lebanese Govt. Hezbollah is an agent of the Iranian theocracy. These are not democratic organizations.

    3. Arabs don't know what democracy is. They want change and prosperity. They want freedom. Freedom is not democracy unless there are institutions that protect freedom.

    4. Iran won the Second Iraq War that began in 2003. Iran brokered the end of the deadlock between Allawi and Maliki. In the process the virulently anti-American Muktadar al Sadr became part of the Maliki govt. America is becoming irrelevant in Iraq.

    5. Iran's Theocracy crushed the Green Revolution in Iran in 2009 while Obama watched with disengagement.

    6. We can't lie to ourselves about reality and expect not to be harmed by the forces of history.


    Edit: Obama is presiding over what will become a political defeat for America in its Afghanistan War. Body counts don't equate to victory when the will to achieve victory does not exist.
    Last edited by Albert Di Salvo; 02-04-11 at 02:41 PM.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Transcend the nonesense and the rhertoric. A possible democratic Middle East defeats the mother of democracy across the Atlantic? Make sense.

    A democratic Middle East defeats the Ayatollah and virtually every single religious nut in the region. Why else do you think religious theocracies and Islamic extremists fear it so? Why else do you think Ahmenedejad was the Iranian Majlis' choice as a leader? Why else do you think Al-Queda rushed to disrupt the Iraqi democratic progress at every turn and tried to so hard to ignite tribal slaughter as a suitable alternative? Do you think that Al-Queda is happy with the progressing democracy in the center of the Arab world? Do you think the Tali-Ban wants Afghainstan to achieve something greater than the oppression they prescribed? And with virtually every single Sunni terrorist in the last 50 years being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, do you not think they learned that they could use "democracy" to get the democratic leaning majority in the region to choose them to power? What's happening in the Middle East will eventually make Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenbei irrelevent. Not the U.S.

    The fact is that these types of people can't survive the way they wish in a society where the people have a choice in regards to their destinies.
    Beautifully said.

    When Bush realized US Foreign Policy had to change to the Middle East, he also realized the only counter-strategy to terrorism and fundamentalism is Democracy.

    Democracy is the antidote to fundamentalism.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Edit: Obama is presiding over what will become a political defeat for America in its Afghanistan War. Body counts don't equate to victory when the will to achieve victory does not exist.
    Afghanistan is inconsequential. The Middle East is where the game is played. Democracy is the antidote to fundamentalism.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Beautifully said.

    When Bush realized US Foreign Policy had to change to the Middle East, he also realized the only counter-strategy to terrorism and fundamentalism is Democracy.

    Democracy is the antidote to fundamentalism.
    Bush's Democracy Agenda was discredited by the American left, and abandoned by Obama. Western democratic theory took a very long time to develop in fertile soil. The Arab world has shown no evidence that its soil is fertile for democracy. If you have countervailing evidence then please share it.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Afghanistan is inconsequential. The Middle East is where the game is played. Democracy is the antidote to fundamentalism.
    Let's get into an analysis of the underlying facts. Can you show me the factual basis for believing that democracy is breaking out in the Arab world? I just don't see any evidence of it. Revolution and democracy are not the same things.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Beautifully said.

    When Bush realized US Foreign Policy had to change to the Middle East, he also realized the only counter-strategy to terrorism and fundamentalism is Democracy.

    Democracy is the antidote to fundamentalism.
    Quite right, and summed up nicely here.

    Jeff Jacoby

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Bush's Democracy Agenda was discredited by the American left
    Really? How ironic and racist. And they have the temerity to call themselves liberals. LIARS!

    and abandoned by Obama
    Too late to matter. The artillery rounds were already downrange. The re-election of Bush in 2004 gave him the ability to finish his Democracy surgery in Iraq. Genesis had occurred before Obama entered office. I can well imagine that Bush's farewell letter to Obama stressed the importance of supporting revolutions, protest movements and democracy efforts throughout the ME, delicately done so as to minimize damage to our interests and alliances. It probably said that it is time we were on the side of the people.

    Western democratic theory took a very long time to develop in fertile soil. The Arab world has shown no evidence that its soil is fertile for democracy. If you have countervailing evidence then please share it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Let's get into an analysis of the underlying facts. Can you show me the factual basis for believing that democracy is breaking out in the Arab world? I just don't see any evidence of it. Revolution and democracy are not the same things.
    Revolution seems to be a prerequisite for transformation from autocracy to democracy. It may take a long time to (re)discover an idea in the world, but much less time for it to be retransmitted to other parts of the world. There are many examples of fine democracies generated in parts of the world with no "fertile soil".

    The fact that Egyptian authorities and protesters are talking about the importance of freedom of expression, assembly, protest, and yea, even revolution - as documented in our Declaration of Independence, is evidence that the liberal ideas supporting democracy are finding themselves in fertile soil.

    It may take 50 years, but the ball is rolling.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Quite right, and summed up nicely here.

    Jeff Jacoby
    Yes, quite a shame that Bush backed off his Freedom Diplomacy. I suspect it was in large part due to the exploding insurgency and civil war that broke out in Iraq.

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