Page 131 of 200 FirstFirst ... 3181121129130131132133141181 ... LastLast
Results 1,301 to 1,310 of 2000

Thread: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

  1. #1301
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    The Brotherhood makes up nothing in the Parliament, they are illegal in Egypt and have been rotting in jails.
    The Los Angeles Times reports:

    The Obama administration said for the first time that it supports a role for groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned Islamist organization, in a reformed Egyptian government.
    White House open to role for Muslim Brotherhood in post-Mubarak Egypt - National Libertarian | Examiner.com

    democracy and sharia---absurd

  2. #1302
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,659

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I agree, but at the same time, I think we need to be waiting in the wings to clean up the mess.

    At some point, it should become obvious that the people don't know what the hell they're doing and there's a serious need for some adult supervision. This is quickly shaping up to be one of those situations.
    Personally, I say we let them work it out. Maybe it all works out for the best and they have a peaceful transition and democracy. OR...they still have no jobs because their country has little outside of the toruism industry, they end up in flames, and become a fundamentalist state. Either way...they kill each other off, have at it. They become a fundamentalist state and kill off the liberals and put women back in burkas, well...thats 'democracy' after all...isnt it? They attack our allies, well..we should come to their aid as quickly as we would France or England and turn the place into a great big giant smoking hole.

  3. #1303
    Global Moderator
    May the force be with you
    Serenity's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    18,877

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Female anti-government protester telling Al Jazeera that they cannot leave the square even if she wanted to - she is crying on air and sounds very scared and emotional. Telling Al Jazeera not to refer to the pro-government group as "demonstrators" because they are actually "violent thugs".


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqoRzSkmX88
    Why do we fall?
    So we can learn to pick ourselves up.

  4. #1304
    free market communist
    Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    09-30-17 @ 12:27 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,661

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    Oh and if you think I give a bird's poo about what Gardener has to say about anything, then you're mistaken.
    Just knowing you have some bird's poo to give is comfort enough for me.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

  5. #1305
    Dungeon Master
    Hooter Babe

    DiAnna's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Northern California
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,590
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We still don't know that that is exactly what's going on. Iran's people had an, "uprising to obtain freedom and demoacracy for themselves", in 1979, but we've since learned that it had zilch to do with, "freedom and democarcy". They simplt exchanged one ruthless asshole, for a committee of ruthless assholes. They got rid of the Shah's secret police and in return got the Revolutionary Gaurd. The Spanish in 1936 could choose to be, "free", either with the Facists, or the Communists. IMO, the choice of the Egyptian people in this case isn't any different.
    You know what? You could be right. After Iran revolted (against a brutal dictator supported by the USA), the immediate aftermath left a power vacuum in which an expelled ayatolah was able to swoop in from Europe and install himself as the new dictator. So what? The people accepted him with open arms. He didn't turn out to be such a good deal in the long run, but if they want to implement another change, the people themselves will have to do so. It must be the choice of the people.

    If Egypt ends up with a government run by the Muslim Brotherhood, the peace treaty with Israel is thrown out the window, and sharia law installed, then so be it. It's the people's choice. They will have to live with Mubarak's replacement, for better or worse, just as those in Iran have done. Or perhaps they will find the freedom and democracy they crave. Either way, they deserve the chance to have a real say in the way their country is run.

    You're not understanding what I'm trying to say. The people of every country have the right to freedom and liberty, not just the people of countries whose governments we d not support. THAT is hypocrisy. If they chose badly for themselves then they will have grown wiser as a people and a nation, and they'll just have to do it all over again.

    But under no circumstance should any American wish for these brave attempts to secure freedom for themselves to fail because it's not in our interests for them to be free.

    Our government is clearly pro-demonstrators, and has done all it can do to encourage Mubarak to step down immediately without going public with such a demand, therefore scaring the collective pants off of our other ME allied dictators in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Jordan.
    Last edited by DiAnna; 02-03-11 at 10:41 PM.

  6. #1306
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post



    You seem to be under the false impression that the Muslim Brotherhood A) uniformly wants to go to war with Israel, B) actually would be capable of making that happen, and C) couldn't be dissuaded from doing so. All of those are incorrect. First of all, it's easy for people to say outlandlish things when you're the opposition or running for office, but when you're actually in charge you tend to tone it down a little bit. Second of all, the Egyptian military is not on great terms with the Muslim Brotherhood, and there's no way that they could go to war with Israel without the military's approval. And finally, it wouldn't even be in the Muslim Brotherhood's political interests to launch a war. They're pragmatic enough to understand that they would be crushed by Israel and fall out of favor with the Egyptian public.
    Not necessarily.

    FrontPage Magazine - The Muslim Brotherhood "Project"

  7. #1307
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Really...a single document discovered 10 years ago? And reported by Front Page Magazine, of all places, 5 years ago? Yeah, somehow I'm not too worried about it.

    In reading The Project, it should be kept in mind that it was drafted in 1982 when current tensions and terrorist activities in the Middle East were still very nascent.
    Last edited by Kandahar; 02-04-11 at 12:52 AM.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  8. #1308
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Really...a single document discovered 10 years ago? And reported by Front Page Magazine, of all places, 5 years ago? Yeah, somehow I'm not too worried about it.


    Actually a great deal has been written about "The Project". If you want something more up-to-date, though that won't really make any difference to something discovered 10 years ago, then you can Google it.

    Apparently Front Page Magazine doesn't meet with your approval either. Too Left Wing?

    You can learn more about them on their own web site here. http://globalmbreport.org/?p=3892
    Last edited by Grant; 02-04-11 at 01:27 AM.

  9. #1309
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually a great deal has been written about "The Project". If you want something more up-to-date, though that won't really make any difference to something discovered in the 80's, then you can Google it.
    I'd hardly call a document discovered in 2001 which was written in the 1980s to be an accurate representation of the Muslim Brotherhood today...if it ever was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant
    Apparently Front Page Magazine desn't meet with your approval either. Too Left Wing?
    Yep. That's it.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  10. #1310
    free market communist
    Gardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    09-30-17 @ 12:27 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,661

    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'd hardly call a document discovered in 2001 which was written in the 1980s to be an accurate representation of the Muslim Brotherhood today...if it ever was.



    Yep. That's it.
    and what do you think the Muslim Brotherhood represents today? Does their changing of tactics indicate the changing of their objective?

    I'm reminded of a nasty group we have here in Oregon called the Oregon Citizens alliance. They have managed to get several ballot measures on the ballot targeting Gay people for persecution. The first was very direct and demanding, and was soundly defeated. They softened the language in the second, and it was defeated, too. They refined their language yet again the third time around. Did this represent a softer, gentler OCA? Of course not, as it only represented calculation.

    I've noticed a curious phenomenon over the years in that those who describe themselves as liberal defending uber-conservatism as long as such conservatism arises from outside their own culture, while those describing themselves as conservative will take on the role of a liberal when confronted with the same conservatism. If a Christian group with beliefs similar to the Muslim Brotherhood were to arise in the United States, and with a similar degree of organization, the same people who are defending the Muslim Brotherhood would be all over it, and I dare say, many of the same ones pointing out its danger here would be looking the other way.

    There is nothing moderate about the Muslim Brotherhood. They have eschewed terrorism for now, but that does not mean they have abandoned their agenda. Their agenda is totalitarian in nature, and they are VERY well organized, so let's not fool ourselves into thinking otherwise, o.k.?
    Last edited by Gardener; 02-04-11 at 10:23 AM.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •