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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The Tunisians don't seem to need Western involvement to create a transition government. And as I said, it's not the responsibility of some external entity to promote one candidate or another, nor would it be accepted positively by the Egyptians as Anda pointed out above.
    I didn't say anything about promoting one candidate. The extent of US involvement in Egyptian elections should be to insist that they are free and fair. That's completely different than supporting an orderly transition to democracy. They'll need someone in charge for that, and it should be someone who supports free speech and free media. This will allow Egyptian political parties to grow organically, so that the election is not simply dominated by the one movement (the Islamic Brotherhood) that Mubarak was unable to suppress.

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    And unless a true referendum or elections happen you cannot expect the US to take one position or another as to who they believe the majority of Egypt support.
    I have said nothing about who I believe the majority of Egyptians support, other than that I don't think a democratic Egypt would necessarily be a rogue state that destabilizes the region.

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    As I said my opinion is that he would "survive" and that his family would stay in rule of the regime for a long long time. That is my opinion, your opinion is different, and that's pretty much it.
    The only reason he's survived this long is because the US has sold him lots of military gear and given him diplomatic cover. Hopefully that stops now.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Yahoo is reporting that police attacked Mohamed ElBaradei with water cannons, and he's now under house arrest. But Brutus is an honorable man.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I doubt a true referendum or elections would occur in Egypt truly, I was simply pointing out that unless we have those as evidence we simply cannot say who is the most supported candidate in Egypt.
    True that, but given the gaping chasm of confidence separating the Egyptians from their electoral system, what indicators could anyone use to gauge the strength of popular opinion there?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Egyptian military has been deployed to try to enforce the curfew according to the live coverage probably linked earlier in this thread. Also another source.

    Also, some additional things of interest:

    Evidence of torture and repression by Mubarak´s Police
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XnhH...layer_embedded
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The US has enough on its plate without stirring up trouble in Egypt.
    I'm not talking the United States tsirring up trouble in Egypt. I'm talking when the Muslim Brotherhood stirs up trouble with us.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Egyptians are not going to accept this indefinitely. Nor will others in the Arab world.
    All US has done is put off the inevitable and US most certainly will not be called an ally when that time comes but the enemy who has fought against people getting their freedom.

    Egyptians on Al Jazeera are also aiming their anger at the US. Blaming it for the dictatorship they have .... and I don't blame them, they should aim some of that anger at US

    Of course they are!

    It was only a matter of time, before it becamse our fault.

    It's that kind of stupidity that get's the United States involved in their countrie. Why can't they seem to see the pattern?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    It's that kind of stupidity that get's the United States involved in their countrie. Why can't they seem to see the pattern?
    As long as you are aware that the US did play a part in keeping the tyrant in power. That is all that is important.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    "We strongly support the democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people and unequivocally condemn violence against them. We urge President Mubarak to step down immediately, and for Mohammed ElBaradei to lead a transition government in the lead up to elections."

    - What Hillary Clinton should say on national television. Right now. This may be Mubarak's last day in power.
    I guess she didn't talk to Biden, before making that statement.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    As long as you are aware that the US did play a part in keeping the tyrant in power. That is all that is important.
    How so?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not talking the United States tsirring up trouble in Egypt. I'm talking when the Muslim Brotherhood stirs up trouble with us.
    Call it what you like, but the point still stands. The US has enough on its plate without any acts of righteous liberation against the evildoers in the Muslim Brotherhood.
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