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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    No, but there is a significant change in tone on Fox News, and a more charged feeling in any of the networks with their employees or colleagues being attacked by the pro-government mob. The level of skepticism has really been toned down in comparison with the beginning of this story.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Ayatollah Khomeini was definitely a conservative so I guess you are right, conservatives do revolt. I stand corrected. However, in the case of our history, the Sons of Liberty were definitely classic liberals/progressives and the loyalist were traditionalist/conservatives.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    there really is no threat that of an islamist regime. the muslim brotherhood is a small part of the government. and anyway, SO WHAT if the egyptian people decide they want an islamist govt? it's not our damned business.
    Then, stop insisting that Mubarack step down.

    So far, the MB is the only mouth piece for the anti-government faction and all they keep saying is that they're going to abolish the peace treaty with Israel.

    http://en.rian.ru/world/20110203/162433368.html
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, but there is a significant change in tone on Fox News, and a more charged feeling in any of the networks with their employees or colleagues being attacked by the pro-government mob. The level of skepticism has really been toned down in comparison with the beginning of this story.
    If somehow Mubarak were to maintain power, we'd definitely have another Saddam on our hands. You know he feels betrayed, no matter how much Bush and Obama have been pleading with him to make changes.

    He's got to go. If the Egyptian people can't get that done, do we intervene here, too?

    Messy, messy, messy.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The fact is, the Middle East - the cradle of civilization - still grapples with the most basic human rights that western civilization takes virtually for granted. You kind of have to deal with the lesser of two evils. This part of the world doesn't seem to grasp "democracy" or "freedom" as we do, which is why they gravitate to what they've known, dicatorships and fundamental Islamic rule.
    They haven't "gravitated" to dictatorships. Did the majority of the people of Iraq choose to be under the thumb of Saddam Hussein? Thugs and dictators keep control over the majority of the population through the willingness to use unbridled force to control them (and by being better armed and better equipped than the populace that they are oppressing).

    Mubarak has maintained control for 30 years in Egypt primarily because WE ARMED AND FUNDED HIM. You are pretending as if these people CHOSE oppression.

    In reality, WE CHOSE IT FOR THEM. It's time for you to be intellectually honest.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, stop insisting that Mubarack step down.
    Keeping Mubarack on top of the masses was a huge mistake. Insisting that he step down and allow the people of Egypt to have self-rule is the first step in righting that wrong.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Messy, messy, messy.
    See what happens when we meddle in the affairs of other nations, fund oppressive regimes, and provide them with weapons?

    We're reaping what we've sown for the past 30 years, and YES, it is messy.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If somehow Mubarak were to maintain power, we'd definitely have another Saddam on our hands. You know he feels betrayed, no matter how much Bush and Obama have been pleading with him to make changes.

    He's got to go. If the Egyptian people can't get that done, do we intervene here, too?

    Messy, messy, messy.
    I hope our military is in contact with the top Egyptian military commanders right now. It shouldn't be difficult for them to go arrest Mubarak and forcibly put him on a plane to Saudi Arabia.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Actually al-Qaeda hates the Muslim Brotherhood. Apparently the MB is too warm and fuzzy for Osama Bin Laden's tastes. With that said, we can and should open dialog with them. If Egypt transitions to democracy, it isn't clear whether the MB can win a majority outright...but they almost certainly will play SOME significant role in a democratic Egypt.
    So, since they don't dig AQ, that makes them the good guys?

    We need to have a workable relationship with Egypt, regardless of who is in charge. That means we need to come to terms with reality. The MB might not be who we would elect, but we're going to have to work with them. Isolating them only gives them a reason to hate America and radicalize their population, which certainly does not benefit American interests.
    The MB wants war with Israel. Tell us how that's going to become a workable relationship.
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