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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What does democracy mean to Egyptians and other Arabs? What are their expectations?
    What does Democracy mean to any dignified human being ?
    "True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance." -- Akhenaton
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Is this a revolution, or a civil war? Who's pulling the puppet strings here?

    So much of this is not understood, though the msm sure doesn't seem to be hesitating to jumping to whatever conclusions they want.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Is this a revolution, or a civil war? Who's pulling the puppet strings here?
    Here's some answers to your questions in a compelling blog post from Pajamas Media:

    Michael Totten Sandmonkey’s Last Post

    Despite it all, we braved it. We believed we are doing what’s right and were encouraged by all those around us who couldn’t believe what was happening to their country. What he did galvanized the people, and on Tuesday, despite shutting down all major roads leading into Cairo, we managed to get over 2 million protesters in Cairo alone and 3 million all over Egypt to come out and demand Mubarak’s departure. Those are people who stood up to the regime’s ruthlessness and anger and declared that they were free, and were refusing to live in the Mubarak dictatorship for one more day.

    ...

    Now, just in case this isn’t clear: This protest is not one made or sustained by the Muslim Brotherhood, it’s one that had people from all social classes and religious background in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood only showed up on Tuesday, and even then they were not the majority of people there by a long shot. We tolerated them there since we won’t say no to fellow Egyptians who wanted to stand with us, but neither the Muslims Brotherhood not any of the Opposition leaders have the ability to turn out one tenth of the numbers of Protesters that were in Tahrir on Tuesday. This is a revolution without leaders. Three Million individuals choosing hope instead of fear and braving death on hourly basis to keep their dream of freedom alive. Imagine that.

    The End is near. I have no illusions about this regime or its leader, and how he will pluck us and hunt us down one by one till we are over and done with and 8 months from now will pay people to stage fake protests urging him not to leave power, and he will stay “because he has to acquiesce to the voice of the people”. This is a losing battle and they have all the weapons, but we will continue fighting until we can’t. I am heading to Tahrir right now with supplies for the hundreds injured, knowing that today the attacks will intensify, because they can’t allow us to stay there come Friday, which is supposed to be the game changer. We are bringing everybody out, and we will refuse to be anything else than peaceful. If you are in Egypt, I am calling on all of you to head down to Tahrir today and Friday. It is imperative to show them that the battle for the soul of Egypt isn’t over and done with. I am calling you to bring your friends, to bring medical supplies, to go and see what Mubarak’s gurantees look like in real life. Egypt needs you. Be Heroes.
    To those of you who are so sure that we should continue to support Mubarak and that this will result in an Islamic theocracy...

    I would only ask...what if you're wrong?

    I do not, as a rule of thumb, pray. But my hopes are always with people, in Egypt and elsewhere, who are willing to risk everything for freedom.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    What does Democracy mean to any dignified human being?
    it means something quite different to a fundamentalist muslim male than it does to, oh, say, anthony weiner of lonGAH island

    hello

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    it means something quite different to a fundamentalist muslim male than it does to, oh, say, anthony weiner of lonGAH island

    hello
    How many muslim males do you know, face to face? I bet fewer than 1.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How many muslim males do you know, face to face? I bet fewer than 1.
    Maybe, maybe not. But he can certainly look at that vast expansion of "democracy" known as the Middle East and make a deduction or two.

    The most democratic country in the Middle East is.....Iraq. Thanks, Mr. Bush.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. But he can certainly look at that vast expansion of "democracy" known as the Middle East and make a deduction or two.

    The most democratic country in the Middle East is.....Iraq. Thanks, Mr. Bush.
    I see you didn't bother to read the information I provided, even though it came from a conservative news source.

    Let me ask you a question: How many of those dictators and thugs would have remained in power for 20 or 30 years without infusions of cash and weapons from the U.S., and our government's tacit support?

    We were an accessory to their crimes against their people, the enabler of their rape and abuse. You cannot ignore our role in their oppression, while simultaneously claiming that there is something in the middle eastern psyche that rejects democracy. That is the worst, most despicable sort of hypocrisy.

    And it's racist. You're saying that Arab men don't value freedom because they don't have it. And yet, the elephant in the room: They might have had it, long ago, if not for our role in protecting and supporting their oppressors.

    Your post, and the mindset behind it, sicken me.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I see you didn't bother to read the information I provided, even though it came from a conservative news source.

    Let me ask you a question: How many of those dictators and thugs would have remained in power for 20 or 30 years without infusions of cash and weapons from the U.S., and our government's tacit support?

    We were accessories to their crimes against their people.
    I don't dispute it, or agree with it. I was saying that at this point, we don't know much of anything about this. It's a fluid situation still being controlled by an infintesimally small percentage of Egyptian people (we think they're Egyptian, but who knows?).

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I don't dispute it, or agree with it. I was saying that at this point, we don't know much of anything about this. It's a fluid situation still being controlled by an infintesimally small percentage of Egyptian people (we think they're Egyptian, but who knows?).
    Instead of posting this nonsense, I'd suggest that your time might be better spent doing some research.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Instead of posting this nonsense, I'd suggest that your time might be better spent doing some research.
    Oh, get off your I-know-everything high horse. It's a tired act.

    You don't know what's going on. None of us do.

    Remember Iran? At first, it was a bunch of students protesting the Shah, and by and large, we sympathized with them. Even supported them. But eventually, when the "useful idiots" were finished, the radical Islamic heavies came in and took control, and now Iran is what it is.

    No one knows where this is headed. Mubarak is getting what he asked for, but the next face of Egypt is anyone's guess.

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