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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    If I were anything to do with the US government I'd stay well away from endorsing any candidate nor would I involve myself in Egypt's internal politics in any way. That would be a guarantee that those you oppose would win.
    sadly your way of thinking is not accepted by the americans.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    If I were anything to do with the US government I'd stay well away from endorsing any candidate nor would I involve myself in Egypt's internal politics in any way. That would be a guarantee that those you oppose would win.
    Then a very public announcement that we support the Muslim Brotherhood should do the trick then, eh?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Why? Who says that the Egyptian public wants ElBaradei to lead it in a transition government?
    Someone has to lead a transition government, and ElBaradei is the only prominent opposition figure who has offered himself up as far as I know. Whom would you suggest?

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    Hell, who says that the majority of Egyptians do not still support Mubarak?
    The fact that he won't stand for a free and fair election suggests as much.

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    A few tens of thousands of protesters mean nothing, only in Cairo there are almost 8 million people.
    Unless we see this in a referendum or elections, let's not jump to conclusions and engage in such hyperbole arguments.
    Mubarak is done for, regardless of whether or not a majority of Egyptians support the protests.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    Then a very public announcement that we support the Muslim Brotherhood should do the trick then, eh?
    It certainly wouldn't do El Baradei's chances any harm at all.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Someone has to lead a transition government, and ElBaradei is the only prominent opposition figure who has offered himself up as far as I know. Whom would you suggest?
    I wouldn't suggest anyone. It's not my job to do the suggestions just as it's not the American government's job.
    It should happen naturally, the Egyptian nation should work it out itself.

    The fact that he won't stand for a free and fair election suggests as much.
    That makes no sense, he himself cannot know the public's wishes, no one can unless you ask the entire public in a referendum or an elections.

    Mubarak is done for, regardless of whether or not a majority of Egyptians support the protests.
    In my opinion the Mubarak family will stay in rule of Egypt for at least two more decades. His regime is quite more stable than most tend to think.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It certainly wouldn't do El Baradei's chances any harm at all.
    Just to make sure, should we haul Dubya out of mothballs and have him make the announcement?

    That would certainly seal the deal.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I wouldn't suggest anyone. It's not my job to do the suggestions just as it's not the American government's job.
    It should happen naturally, the Egyptian nation should work it out itself.
    Who is "the Egyptian nation"? How do you propose they "work it out themselves"? If the international community does not help guide their transition to democracy, the likely result will be a scramble for power in the vacuum left by Mubarak's departure. That does not bode well for the democratic health of the nation. Far better to support ElBaradei or some other prominent figure who has shown an inclination to support the conditions necessary for a healthy democracy to emerge...namely free speech and free media.

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    That makes no sense, he himself cannot know the public's wishes, no one can unless you ask the entire public in a referendum or an elections.
    Umm
    I think that's what the protesters are demanding...

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    In my opinion the Mubarak family will stay in the rule of Egypt for at least two more decades. His regime is quite more stable then most tend to think.
    Mubarak is entirely dependent on the US for his survival.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Why? Who says that the Egyptian public wants ElBaradei to lead it in a transition government? Hell, who says that the majority of Egyptians do not still support Mubarak?
    A few tens of thousands of protesters mean nothing, only in Cairo there are almost 8 million people.
    Unless we see this in a referendum or elections, let's not jump to conclusions and engage in such hyperbole arguments.
    How much confidence could you, we or the Egyptian people place in the results of a referendum or election conducted by the Mubarak regime? I agree that demonstrations by just a few thousand out of a population of 80 million cannot be assumed to represent the will of the majority and can be easily dismissed by the regime (look at how various regimes totally ignored 1.5 million+ person demonstrations against involvement in the Iraq war. There's a way to go yet, we in the West should keep our mouths shut and keep our fingers out of pies that our meddling could only spoil.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who is "the Egyptian nation"? How do you propose they "work it out themselves"? If the international community does not help guide their transition to democracy, the likely result will be a scramble for power in the vacuum left by Mubarak's departure. That does not bode well for the democratic health of the nation. Far better to support ElBaradei or some other prominent figure who has shown an inclination to support the conditions necessary for a healthy democracy to emerge...namely free speech and free media.
    The Tunisians don't seem to need Western involvement to create a transition government. And as I said, it's not the responsibility of some external entity to promote one candidate or another, nor would it be accepted positively by the Egyptians as Anda pointed out above.

    Umm
    I think that's what the protesters are demanding..
    And unless a true referendum or elections happen you cannot expect the US to take one position or another as to who they believe the majority of Egypt support.
    That's what you did, that's the kind of thinking I oppose.

    Mubarak is entirely dependent on the US for his survival.
    As I said my opinion is that he would "survive" and that his family would stay in rule of the regime for a long long time. That is my opinion, your opinion is different, and that's pretty much it.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    How much confidence could you, we or the Egyptian people place in the results of a referendum or election conducted by the Mubarak regime? I agree that demonstrations by just a few thousand out of a population of 80 million cannot be assumed to represent the will of the majority and can be easily dismissed by the regime (look at how various regimes totally ignored 1.5 million+ person demonstrations against involvement in the Iraq war. There's a way to go yet, we in the West should keep our mouths shut and keep our fingers out of pies that our meddling could only spoil.
    I doubt a true referendum or elections would occur in Egypt truly, I was simply pointing out that unless we have those as evidence we simply cannot say who is the most supported candidate in Egypt.
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