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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

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    I find that it's usually the other way around.

    At least if you're doing it properly.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In all fairness to Laila, I think she's reacting to the fearmongering posts coming from Apdst, The Prof, and a few others whose hypocrisy on this issue is abundantly clear...

    Democracy is good...as long as that democracy evolves in ways that we dictate. THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY. Democracy in these countries has to be created in ways that the people of Egypt, and Iran, and Yemen, and Tunisia choose. Otherwise, it isn't democracy, because the people didn't choose. We can encourage it, and even offer to guide it and support it, but ultimately, their voices are the ones that matter. That's what democracy means.

    Is democracy scary? You bet. But it's still the best choice.
    But she is painting with a broad brush. There are many Americans who feel we should stop supporting these dictatorships and promote democracy, in spite of participation from fundamentalists, especially seeing as how the fundamentalists have been growing due to living under a dictatorship that we support! The Obama Administration (and the UK government as well) are encouraging this to happen peacefully as well, but they want the change to happen. Finally we can stop being hypocrites!

    I totally agree that they have to decide the kind of democracy they want, not us. So when the Iraqi supreme court approves Maliki's request for moving the control of the Iraqi Central Bank from the purview of the Parliament to the Cabinet, effectively bringing it under control of one man, himself, that's just the kind of democracy they are going to have, it seems.

    What is clear is that this was absolutely the plan 8 years ago when we invaded Iraq - to foment democracy movements and revolution in the region. It is working.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I find that it's usually the other way around.

    At least if you're doing it properly.
    If you're doing it properly, you shouldn't stick at all.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I have to say that I'm kind of shocked to see that Americans would decry the people uprising to obtain freedom and democracy for themselves.
    Conservatives have been doing it since the beginning of the country's existence. Back then they were called loyalist. Revolution and conservatism is an oxymoron.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    But she is painting with a broad brush. There are many Americans who feel we should stop supporting these dictatorships and promote democracy, in spite of participation from fundamentalists, especially seeing as how the fundamentalists have been growing due to living under a dictatorship that we support! The Obama Administration (and the UK government as well) are encouraging this to happen peacefully as well, but they want the change to happen. Finally we can stop being hypocrites!

    I totally agree that they have to decide the kind of democracy they want, not us. So when the Iraqi supreme court approves Maliki's request for moving the control of the Iraqi Central Bank from the purview of the Parliament to the Cabinet, effectively bringing it under control of one man, himself, that's just the kind of democracy they are going to have, it seems.

    What is clear is that this was absolutely the plan 8 years ago when we invaded Iraq - to foment democracy movements and revolution in the region. It is working.
    I have to be honest...I don't think these movements are coming about because of our bungling nation building efforts in Iraq. I think that they are happening as a result of increased access to technology and information, which have exposed people to new ideas.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Centrist View Post
    Conservatives have been doing it since the beginning of the country's existence. Back then they were called loyalist. Revolution and conservatism is an oxymoron.
    This is a pretty simplistic analysis that is largely false.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    A couple of misrepresentations I keep seeing here have to do with the way people are being accused of standing against democracy if they express any concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood. Anybody who actually knows what the Muslim Brotherhood is all about realizes Democracy is not their aim, though they are quite willing to utilize the constructs of such for the short term as long as it suits their purpose.

    It's not really being against democracy, but worrying about the potential for democracy to be undermined that is the issue here.

    Another misconception involves the will of the people and the notion of human rights. The two do not always go hand in hand, especially when minorities or women are concerned, as the will of the people may involve a greater sense of self-determination for some, but it can cause the disenfranchisement of others. While the greater good CAN be promoted through democratic means, there is no guarantee that the implementation of nominally democratic structures will result in the greater good.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    How absolutely insulting. "The fault of the people." FOR WHAT? Protesting?
    You know nothing about Muslim/Arab dictators.
    2 key things Mubarak speech did not confirm. 8 Months to let things calm down to then instate his own son like some of King and secondly constitutional changes will then be facing the Parliament from the last election which was rigged! All Mubarak will say is that constitutional changes got rejected by Parliament so nothing they can do.

    Ignoring the fact that it is the security forces that have infiltrated the Pro Mubarak side, their ID cards found on the attacks bodies. The fact that for a week the Anti Government has been peaceful

    And do not attempt to speak for all Egyptian Coptic's nor does your friend. A Muslim will sit in presidency no matter what because Egypt is a MUSLIM MAJORITY COUNTRY. That is akin to asking for a Muslim to sit and lead Poland

    This is not a religious revolution but one for all Egyptians.

    Egyptian Christians forming a ring to protect the Muslims whilst they were praying from the police. The same way Muslims formed a human shield around the Church to protect it from a terrorist attack.

    The majority of Egyptians do not want an Islamic State. The Muslim Brotherhood’s popularity was, and remains to not be from the result of widespread support for its ideology rather it's moral principles and its extensive social services network, and the aid it provides to the needy Egyptians. THAT is where it's popularity is based on and last election the Muslim Brotherhood had alot of Christian support as well. The misinformation pouring out of US makes me so angry. Your media is ****ed up.

    Mubarak has blood on his hands and all I hope now is for his death. He deserves no less for attempting to cause these clashes. Now there is a shift in an opinion to the Army. They were once seen as protectors, now they stood back and let the police men shoot the Anti Government Protesters. ****ing disgusting
    The protestors are becoming violent. That is their problem and their fault. Even though the president has states he will not seek reelection in September they still aren't satisfied. My information came from friends I know who are from Egypt and have family in Egypt. One of the main proponents to power is some Islamists who is supported by the muslim brotherhood. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, I'm just going by what my Egyptian friends have unanimously told me, not by the "US Media."
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This is a pretty simplistic analysis that is largely false.
    Ayatollah Khomeini was definitely a conservative so I guess you are right, conservatives do revolt. I stand corrected. However, in the case of our history, the Sons of Liberty were definitely classic liberals/progressives and the loyalist were traditionalist/conservatives.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The protestors are becoming violent. That is their problem and their fault. Even though the president has states he will not seek reelection in September they still aren't satisfied. My information came from friends I know who are from Egypt and have family in Egypt. One of the main proponents to power is some Islamists who is supported by the muslim brotherhood. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, I'm just going by what my Egyptian friends have unanimously told me, not by the "US Media."
    the pro mubarak people have become violent, NOT the anti mubarak protestors. and the pro mubarak protests are anything but spontaneous. the president needs to step down NOW.
    Last edited by liblady; 02-03-11 at 11:57 AM.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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