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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    He's toast, IMO. No candidate, at this point, wants to be tarred by being associated with Mubarak. Nice thoughts, though.
    The only way to save Egypt is for Mubarak to call for an election and agree to leave after it's held. He still has some control over the military.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    The only way to save Egypt is for Mubarak to call for an election and agree to leave after it's held. He still has some control over the military.
    YOu don't believe that there is an infrastructure in place to conduct an election sans Mubarak?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    The only way to save Egypt is for Mubarak to call for an election and agree to leave after it's held. He still has some control over the military.
    Another way, would be for Mubarack supporters to overpower the opposition.

    There are 80,000 people in Egypt. If 50+% of them want Mubarack to stay, then guess what.

    I don't think that a million +/- anti-government protestors is proof, yet, that everyone in Egypt wants Mubarack out of power, much less want to, "lynch", him.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    NeoCons were origainaly on the Left. They defected to the Republican base under Carter. They were against allowing Saddam Huessin his throne in 1991 (at a time when Rumsfeld and Cheney supported his containment.) When Rumsfeld and Cheny began seeing the short sighted error in the late 90s they began to lobby President Clinton to take out Hussein. In 2003, they get to be labeled "NeoCons?"

    How people have evolved to use it is wrong. The NeoCon agenda has always been about pushing democracy abroad with the absolute acknowledgement that it goes to serve our long term interests and security. It's these same short sighted dimwits, who are more scared of the Muslim Brotherhood and instability, that people still label as "NeoCons."
    You've got it wrong. The neocon movement began with Reagan. Many in his administration were neocons. It has always been a right wing thing.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    YOu don't believe that there is an infrastructure in place to conduct an election sans Mubarak?
    No election administered by the Mubarak regime machine would command popular confidence. How many totally corrupted elections have they overseen in 60 years of Nasser/Sadat/Mubarak dictatorship?

    Outside help will be required. Difficult to work out where that might come from in order to ensure legitimacy.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You've got it wrong. The neocon movement began with Reagan. Many in his administration were neocons. It has always been a right wing thing.
    Not true. MSgt is right. Neo-cons predate Reagan and much of their philosophical energy comes from the left. I recommend you take a crammer course with our very own Fiddytree. I promise you, there's nothing he doesn't know about neo-cons.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You've got it wrong. The neocon movement began with Reagan. Many in his administration were neocons. It has always been a right wing thing.
    He had it right.

    The original neocons were dissafected liberals who wanted a more muscular foreign policy when it came to spreading American values.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    He had it right.

    The original neocons were dissafected liberals who wanted a more muscular foreign policy when it came to spreading American values.
    Disagree. They were Reagan right wingers. It was before Clinton.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    YOu don't believe that there is an infrastructure in place to conduct an election sans Mubarak?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059258763

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    I think most Egyptians would be quite happy with an election Heavily monitored by an International team

    No one is going to trust any faction without it.
    There's simply no foundation/infrastructure for an honest election now or a few months from now.

    I can't foresee any agreed upon result without perhaps the most extensively monitored election in history.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Disagree. They were Reagan right wingers.
    You simply do not know what you are talking about.

    THis is as good an overview as any:

    What the Heck Is a 'Neocon'? - Council on Foreign Relations
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