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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    They'll end up with a hostile government either way.

    It's far too late, they've thrown their support behind Mubarak, people aren't gonna forget that.

    I hope that pompous prick steps down though. The democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people outweigh America's need for a friendly Egypt.
    Egypt won't necessarily elect a hostile government if the transition is managed properly. If someone like Mohamed ElBaradei is in charge of a transition government for 9-12 months, and promotes free speech/media, it will give Egyptian political parties a chance to form and grow. The only reason the Muslim Brotherhood is currently the only viable political party is because Mubarak suppressed every civil institution in Egypt except for the mosque.

    I doubt a democratic Egypt could be described as a "US ally" or a "friendly Egypt," but there's no reason to think it will be a rogue state that destabilizes the region.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And how exactly do you intend to do that? Rigging a foreign election.

    There's no garuntee of this outcome if there's an election...

    Better the devil you know... then the devil you don't...
    I would not call for a rigged anything, but surely there is opposition to Mubarak that is pro-West and capable of bringing about reforms that Egypt desparately needs.

    To stand behind him is to repeat mistakes of the past, Western support for the Shah comes to mind....

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I would not call for a rigged anything, but surely there is opposition to Mubarak that is pro-West and capable of bringing about reforms that Egypt desparately needs.

    To stand behind him is to repeat mistakes of the past, Western support for the Shah comes to mind....
    Quite frankly, anti-western rhetoric will go far in Egypt if there's an election...

    Just because you're pro-Western, doesn't mean you'll be reformists... their president at the moment is pro-western, that can be used against any party that is.

    Nationalist parties will do well I think.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Quite frankly, anti-western rhetoric will go far in Egypt if there's an election...

    Just because you're pro-Western, doesn't mean you'll be reformists... their president at the moment is pro-western, that can be used against any party that is.

    Nationalist parties will do well I think.
    I agree, but if I were in Washington I would throw my support behind ElBaradei.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I agree, but if I were in Washington I would throw my support behind ElBaradei.
    lol if I were in Washington...

    That's not the only thing I would do

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    People have forgotten or rather the news that Tunisia is still protesting has been buried ...

    INTERPOL is after the former President and his family to stand trial in Tunisia


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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I doubt a democratic Egypt could be described as a "US ally" or a "friendly Egypt," but there's no reason to think it will be a rogue state that destabilizes the region.
    I don't think it would be a rogue state.

    But the important thing to remember is that Egypt has kept it's committment of peace with Israel since Sadat, and I don't think anybody wants to risk an aggresive Egypt in any way, shape or form.

    Now I'm not saying that a government will be elected that will attack Israel, all I'm saying is, it makes the US nervous when a major change happens in the Middle East, think about it, this guy has been in power 20 years...

    People can be very frightened of change.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    lol if I were in Washington...

    That's not the only thing I would do
    You know that! But it would be a good start.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I agree, but if I were in Washington I would throw my support behind ElBaradei.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    lol if I were in Washington...

    That's not the only thing I would do
    If I were anything to do with the US government I'd stay well away from endorsing any candidate nor would I involve myself in Egypt's internal politics in any way. That would be a guarantee that those you oppose would win.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    "We strongly support the democratic aspirations of the Egyptian people and unequivocally condemn violence against them. We urge President Mubarak to step down immediately, and for Mohammed ElBaradei to lead a transition government in the lead up to elections."

    - What Hillary Clinton should say on national television. Right now. This may be Mubarak's last day in power.
    Why? Who says that the Egyptian public wants ElBaradei to lead it in a transition government? Hell, who says that the majority of Egyptians do not still support Mubarak?
    A few tens of thousands of protesters mean nothing, only in Cairo there are almost 8 million people.
    Unless we see this in a referendum or elections, let's not jump to conclusions and engage in such hyperbole arguments.
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