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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Dying for your country is never dying in vain.
    Then clearly Iraq was a success.

    I dont think you realize there are problems with freedoms and equality which have contributed to this number. Sadr and his Islamic ilk (Maliki) are not interested in expanding freedoms.
    And thus it is a perfect model for integrating the MB into a democratized Egypt. Fundamentalist Islamic groups exist side by side with moderate and secular groups making up the polity.


    There is a high cost for those who speak out against the government.

    nrc.nl - International - Features - Free speech behind armoured doors in Iraq
    There are risks. But the point is that opposition voices are heard.

    And i have stated repeatedly why it most certainly is not. It benefited Iraqis yet the costs of the war and the rise in certain extremist factions has only eroded there quality of life further. There is nothing about the Iraqi state of being in terms of society and politics and even economics that one would dare aspire too. That is the sad truth.
    It's a mixed bag, but getting better all the time.

    It says nothing about the situation in Iraq, i am afraid. The driving force behind this growth is probably Kirkuk anyway.
    Sure it does. Iraq is growing.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm actually okay with how the state department has handled it, so far. I strongly believe that they have been applying pressure, behind the scenes, for Mubarack to step down.
    I really don't know what is going on. I do know and I can contest with great conviction that the Pentagon has been in contact with Egyptian generals. If you know the history behind Clinton's reajustment of the regional commanders (known as "CinCs" back then) there is no way the phone calls haven't been made. There are unintended consequences to almost everything we do as individuals and as governments. America's problem is that it has a habit of looking at the short term security since the end of World War II (Granted that much of this is due to competing with a Red enemy that had no scruples and looked for the short cut in everything). President Obama is absolutely looking at the long term while maintaining a gamble on preserving the short term. We need to be finished with this short term madness. In the end, I firmly believe that by living up to our historic rhetoric (sometimes very hard in this world, I know this) that we maintain our long term security and guarantee our prosperity and preservation. And hey...maybe some folks outside our nation gets to experience some freedom along the way.

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    However, I do think that we need to be making clear statements, as a country, both from the president and the officials in the state department, that the U.S. supports democracy, and self-governance for all people around the world.

    Do you agree or disagree?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Then why do conservatives label people that don't agree with them liberals?
    SOME of them probably do for the same reason your ridiculous comment was made....out of an apparent desire to refuse to deal with anything out side of the stereotypical world view they've created for themselves.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    President Obama is absolutely looking at the long term while maintaining a gamble on preserving the short term. We need to be finished with this short term madness. In the end, I firmly believe that by living up to our historic rhetoric (sometimes very hard in this world, I know this) that we maintain our long term security and guarantee our prosperity and preservation. And hey...maybe some folks outside our nation gets to experience some freedom along the way.

    It's this or we aren't "America."
    Complete, total agreement in every way. We accomplish the most by remaining true to our founding principles.

    I wish I could like your post x 9000.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I like it when you people fight, particularly when it is loud and public.
    You have a point. FOX has been leaning more and more towards supporting Mubarak in light of a possible Muslim Brotherhood takeover. This is a lack of vision and a lack of true wisdom, which is proof that people's idea of the "NeoCon" has been wrong all along.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, the longer Mubarak hangs around in Egypt, the more power the Muslim Brotherhood is gaining. The time for the White House to drop its balls was last week so that we could maintain a sense of future for Egypt (and the rest of the region). Now the situation has become more volatile and mirky.
    A week from now, with no let up in the violence and the situation will become untenable. At that point, the United States will be criticized for not getting involved.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    SOME of them probably do for the same reason your ridiculous comment was made....out of an apparent desire to refuse to deal with anything out side of the stereotypical world view they've created for themselves.
    You calling conservatives that label other people liberals ridiculous? It's just funny that when it comes to this crisis conservatives are all over the place on what they think should be done. Most of the time they are pretty well united. It's usually their way or the liberal way.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    What is the official conservative position on this crisis? Half say we should stand by Mubarak because the alternative will be worse and the other half say we should support the protesters and their quest for democracy. You guys better see what FOX wants you to think so you can all get on the same page..
    I don't recall Righties taking either of those specific positions.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You have a point. FOX has been leaning more and more towards supporting Mubarak in light of a possible Muslim Brotherhood takeover. This is a lack of vision and a lack of true wisdom, which is proof that people's idea of the "NeoCon" has been wrong all along.
    I think the splintering is largely occurring between those conservatives who consider Israel our primary ally in the region versus those who are more pragmatic and believe that we are best served by being true to our principles, regardless of the short term outcome.

    I guess I'm in the latter camp. Israel is an ally, but Israel routinely acts in their perceived best interest without consideration for how their actions will impact us. In some ways, Israel has been extremely detrimental to our national interests.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    which is proof that people's idea of the "NeoCon" has been wrong all along.
    Please explain. Which people? What idea of neo-cons?
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