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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Tell that to the Copts!
    ****, you are right. I completely forgot about their situation. Are they participating in the protests?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I don't believe that this statistical data includes the Gaza Strip in it. The West Bank on the other hand is indeed doing better than the majority of the Arab world, a lot due to the fact that Israel has established democratic institutions in the bank when it has given autonomy to the PA in the 80's.
    Just checked. It does include Gaza. Who'd a thunk?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Al Jazeera being as biased as Foxnews...I'll check out El Arabiya.
    Cool: El Arabiya English.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    ****, you are right. I completely forgot about their situation. Are they participating in the protests?
    Not sure, but I would guess so. I haven't heard them mentioned specifically but clearly the anti-Mub movement they are making much of their very broadly-based support.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Really. I was under the impression that even in the U.S., the religious right exercises the tyranny of the majority on a pretty much continual basis. So, are we not yet capable of being a democracy, either?
    You are now trying to say we are just ike Egypt, are you?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Just checked. It does include Gaza. Who'd a thunk?
    Can you please make a reference to where you've checked that?
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Can you please make a reference to where you've checked that?
    Here you go...

    http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democrac...x_2010_web.pdf
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    You have been proven wrong by Kandahars evidence already. The Iraqi democracy is a sham.
    I responded to that.

    There was a list of newspapers. Sorry, what does that prove?
    It proves the free press and the variety of voices being published in Iraq.

    It need not be recent and Egyptians could not possibly relate to Iraq. The Iraqi transformation process was not self instructed. It was imported by an occupying power and it resembled more like an instant microwave democracy rather than a "transition" which assumes there where some sort of long stretching process involving the people - something that was lacking in Iraq.

    In Egypt, the situation is different. The people are here to impose the democracy and there united across political divides. It was not forced onto them and they have agreed that El Baradei should lead the revolt. The two "transitions" to democracy cannot possibly be contrasted.
    Well, ElBaradei won't have much impact. The protesters will fail - they run out of food in a week and face organized opposition with the pro-M folks. Egypt may hold elections in 5 months but what about rewriting the constitution and reforming to a real democracy? Reforming existing institutions. These are the things that need doing for which Iraq is a model.

    The fact that it is non-Arab is an irrelevant and pathetic excuse.

    The Kemalist transition to Democracy is very very relevant to theocratic and autocratic regimes in the ME because its precisely the Kemalist reforms that dismantled the religious institutions and modernized them, devolved powers to executive branches and removed a head of state who had absolute sovereign (the boldened being most relevant to Egypt).

    You cannot deny that Turkey is very popular in the Arab world and its popularity has resulted in many aspiring to its Democracy and state of economy among Arab states.
    Ok, yeah, I agree, but Iraq being Arab is significant to other Arab people. I agree that Iraq is not the only model out there for Egyptians. Iraq being recent is very significant. It started the process of reform within the Arab ME.


    No positive impacts, no.
    NONE AT ALL?? Jeez, when your ideological, you're ideological to the end, aren't you?

    And the protests in Tunisia and Egypt have nothing to do with Iraq. The only role model Iraq has played for these countries is to model a democratic system that resembles nothing like Iraq.
    So a coalition of Shia, including conservative elements like Sadr, and the Kurds, who want Kirkuk, oil, and to be left alone as an quasi-independent region, as well as a strong negotiating position with the secular Sunni party led by Allawi is no role model? Their diplomatic position between Turkey and Iran and Saudi Arabia means nothing?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Not sure, but I would guess so. I haven't heard them mentioned specifically but clearly the anti-Mub movement they are making much of their very broadly-based support.
    It seems to me that the Coptic situation is not the primary fault line in Egypt, whereas the Sunni/Shia/Kurd(Sunni) fault line is the most prevalent one in Iraq.

    So what is the primary fault line in Egypt?

    Economic (poor vs. rich), - partially. I think many anti-M people are poor, but then there are lawyers and doctors and engineers too.

    Political (liberal vs. conservative) - mm, it is strange. The MB and the secular opp. are together. Does not seem to be the case that this is the fault line.

    Cultural (urban vs rural) - don't think so.

    Ethnic - don't think so

    I really have no idea. It is like the Haves and the Have Nots, but not so driven by economic need since there are many liberal professionals opposed to the regime.

    What do y'all think?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

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    What page and paragraph? I searched 'Palestine' (5 refs) and Gaza (0 refs) and found nothing.

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