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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It means I am smart enough to realize that true democracy is predicated upon various precepts that go beyond mere tyranny of the majority.
    Nice dodge.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Nice dodge.
    Not a dogbe, but the understanding of how things work.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    I don't know if this is a repost. But anyways back onto topic:
    On Jan. 29, Adm. Jim Stavridis, commander of U.S. European Command, tweeted: "Watching Egypt closely. Talking with Gen. Jim Mattis of U.S. Central Command about it."

    But despite the chaos of the ongoing anti-government protests, so far all the American military has had to do is watch as the State Department directs the effort to secure and evacuate U.S. citizens.

    While an undisclosed number of Marines and diplomatic security service personnel were sent to Cairo in recent days to augment the embassy's existing guard detachment, top State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the security situation doesn't demand a military response.
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    I just hope that the US military does not become involved. That would be a big mistake.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It is one of the higher numbers in the region...but not by much. Certainly not by enough to justify a war to promote it there. If we merely wanted to help democratize a country to serve as a shining example of Arab democracy, Iraq was just about the worst choice: It has large oil reserves, a low GDP per capita, and sectarian conflicts. We would have been far better off picking one of the ones that is revolting now: Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan.
    Nonsense. It was the best choice BY FAR. It was autocratic with suppressed minorities (majority in the case of the Shia). We had an argument to make that we were invading to stop the enslavement of Iraqis as a humanitarian intervention. This was not used as the primary reasoning, WMD was (which I feel is preventative war and therefore unjust. Humanitarian intervention is a just war - Just and Unjust Wars). It had a high literacy rate compared to the region. It had economic activity beyond natural resources. We were nominally still at war with Saddam since 1991. There were 17 UN security council resolutions against them. The argument could be made to invade them. It was the fault line of ethnic groups in the region (Arab, Kurd). It was the fault line of religious groups in the region (Sunni, Shia, lesser extends - Jewish and Christian).

    The argument could not be made to invade Tunisia, Egypt, or Jordan.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Not a dogbe, but the understanding of how things work.
    Really. I was under the impression that even in the U.S., the religious right exercises the tyranny of the majority on a pretty much continual basis. So, are we not yet capable of being a democracy, either?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I note that the Palestinians are doing even better. Imagine, Hamas and Fatah getting something right!
    I don't believe that this statistical data includes the Gaza Strip in it. The West Bank on the other hand is indeed doing better than the majority of the Arab world, a lot due to the fact that Israel has established democratic institutions in the bank when it has given autonomy to the PA in the 80's.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    What do you think of Al Jazeera? It is in a VERY UNIQUE position within the region. It started around the same time as the response to 9/11. It began criticizing the US involvement in the region. Gained credibility in the Arab world and beyond. Independent of any state in the region. Began criticizing regional governments.

    Today is the only conduit to information about the Egyptian protesters, side stepping the Egyptian state television (which is focussed on the pro-M folks), and playing a wonderful PsyOp role.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Really. I was under the impression that even in the U.S., the religious right exercises the tyranny of the majority on a pretty much continual basis. So, are we not yet capable of being a democracy, either?
    Omg!! Catz that is what I have always felt like. Buts its something most do not want to see. But you Catz have said soomething I have always wanted to say. But you articulated it in such a way. Wow! That is all, Catz keep warm.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not at all. It did provide a democratization model to the ME. The biggest problem that had to be dealt with, and fed the difficulties in execution, and still today is the major stumbling block, is the ethnic rivalries. Egypt does not suffer from this.
    Tell that to the Copts!
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    Re: Riots erupt in Egypt as protesters demand end to Mubarak regime

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What do you think of Al Jazeera? It is in a VERY UNIQUE position within the region. It started around the same time as the response to 9/11. It began criticizing the US involvement in the region. Gained credibility in the Arab world and beyond. Independent of any state in the region. Began criticizing regional governments.

    Today is the only conduit to information about the Egyptian protesters, side stepping the Egyptian state television (which is focussed on the pro-M folks), and playing a wonderful PsyOp role.
    Al Jazeera being as biased as Foxnews...I'll check out El Arabiya.

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