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    When it comes times for history to judge him as a man and President I'll look at what he said and did, and how they may have contradicted over the years.

    But I'm not going to say a man is wrong for doing something I like because he did something I didn't like in the past, while he's President I'll judge each action separately and give them my support or disapproval based on each individual action.

    For those who like Obama's spending freeze idea, at least more than his previous spending run, please SUPPORT IT. It should be net budget reduction even if some areas are receiving more money. Even if its not perfect we can all agree tightening the government is better than nothing, even if its not done exactly how we'd like it, its still more productive to support an action which goes forward but perhaps slightly to the left than supporting standing still. And in the next election vote against if you choose to do so, but don't stand in the way of something that's productive and moves in the direction you want simply because its not perfect or the Pres is a Dem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    When it comes times for history to judge him as a man and President I'll look at what he said and did, and how they may have contradicted over the years.

    But I'm not going to say a man is wrong for doing something I like because he did something I didn't like in the past, while he's President I'll judge each action separately and give them my support or disapproval based on each individual action.

    For those who like Obama's spending freeze idea, at least more than his previous spending run, please SUPPORT IT. It should be net budget reduction even if some areas are receiving more money. Even if its not perfect we can all agree tightening the government is better than nothing, even if its not done exactly how we'd like it, its still more productive to support an action which goes forward but perhaps slightly to the left than supporting standing still. And in the next election vote against if you choose to do so, but don't stand in the way of something that's productive and moves in the direction you want simply because its not perfect or the Pres is a Dem.
    Absolutely. We have to do the responsible, if painful and undesirable, thing. Social spending is not automatically a bad thing, but we should never spend beyond our means.

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    you guys act like you don't remember the same guy claiming health care costs is the impetus for health care reform. or that stimulus would cap unemployment at 8% or that guantanamo would be shut down, or that we'd leave iraq and afghanistan. this man claiming he's for some {qualifier} {qualifier} spending freeze only means we most likely won't see any spending freeze at all.
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    Yeah, because those conservatives have really proven to be against spending increases!

    And this single statement shows why we should never...ever...ever put conservatives in office again.
    The 2006 deficit .. 3.10 billion dollars ..
    The 2011 deficit Ö 1.48 Trillion dollars
    total debt end of 2006 8.5 trillion
    total debt end of 2010 13.t trillion plus the 2011 shortfall
    January of 2007 is when liberals started writing, voting and passion the budgets.

    Considering everything, I'll take even so called conservatives over liberals Ö thank you very much .

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    Re: Obama Will Use SOTU to Call for 5 yr Freeze on Non-Security Discretionary Spendin

    the laughable freeze:

    Barack Obama's State of the Union Address (full text) - - POLITICO.com

    So tonight, I am proposing that starting this year, we freeze annual domestic spending for the next five years. Now, this would reduce the deficit by more than $400 billion over the next decade.
    Obama to call for spending freeze — but major items unaffected - Yahoo! News

    But the freeze appears largely symbolic. It won't affect the major contributors to the federal deficit: Social Security, Medicare, and defense spending. It also won't apply to interest payments on the federal debt, homeland security or foreign aid -- the latter being a favorite target of small government advocates, though it represents a tiny share of government spending. The plan would save a modest $26 billion over five years, the White House says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And this single statement shows why we should never...ever...ever put conservatives in office again.
    well...

    it appears the prez has become quite the quasi conservative himself

    Left laments Barack Obama's move to center - Meredith Shiner and Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com

    and it's not just that wannabe "reaganite" sotu

    Obama Calls Tax Cuts the 'Right Thing to Do'

    sheldon whitehouse of RI insists the prez must draw distinct lines between himself and those reprobate neanderthals and knuckle draggers

    hey, he stood loud and proud for his provisions protecting pre existers (a point on which my side will cheerfully give him everything he wants)

    and he, of course, called out those wingnut "wealthiest 2%"

    unfortunately, he's already caved there, already signed em into law

    party on, progressives

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    Re: Obama Will Use SOTU to Call for 5 yr Freeze on Non-Security Discretionary Spendin

    For those who like Obama's spending freeze idea, at least more than his previous spending run, please SUPPORT IT.
    So let me get this straight .. because I'm just a little bit confused her, are you saying we should be praising the spending freeze ?? The last budget was well over a trillion dollars in the red .. So you are suggesting .. that a 5 year freeze at a deficit of over 1 trillion dollars per year .. is something we should support ??

    Welll fellow Americans ... it's time to Rejoice our 2016 National debt is only going to be roughly 19 trillion dollars ..

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    Re: Obama Will Use SOTU to Call for 5 yr Freeze on Non-Security Discretionary Spendin

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    The 2006 deficit .. 3.10 billion dollars ..
    The 2011 deficit … 1.48 Trillion dollars
    total debt end of 2006 8.5 trillion
    total debt end of 2010 13.t trillion plus the 2011 shortfall
    January of 2007 is when liberals started writing, voting and passion the budgets.

    Considering everything, I'll take even so called conservatives over liberals … thank you very much .
    Not if, as you alluded, once the budget is back in order, appropriate spending does not resume.
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    more on the morose:

    ap's fact check finds his "ledger out of balance"

    FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger - Yahoo! Finance

    "more spending [investment, not stimulus] on the one hand and a spending freeze on the other"

    "but obama offered far more examples of where he would spend than where he would cut, and some of the areas he identified for savings are not certain to yield much if anything"

    do you deny it?

    today he promises, "health insurance reform will slow these rising costs"

    SLOW these rising costs?

    that's a NEW pitch

    a concession to raunchy reality

    for 2 years, ahab obama justified his radical reform of 1/6 of our business on ECONOMIC grounds---he was gonna "reverse the cost trajectory"

    it was only in the days before his near resort to DEEM that he transmogrified his emphasis to the SOCIAL impulses, ie, expanded coverage

    and now, instead of REVERSING curves, he says he's SLOWED them

    sadly, according to ap, medicare's actuary, who's always been a "thorn in obama's side," today testified before house budget that he "doubts" obamacare will, indeed, keep costs down

    The Associated Press: Medicare official doubts health care law savings

    furthermore, mr foster unfolded how millions of americans will NOT be able to keep their plans if they want to, probably ahab obama's most oft hurled harpoon

    and then there's the earmark ban

    obama BRAVELY (LOL!) threatens his presidential VETO should any bill with a porker proceed to his office

    but, finds fact check, boehner has already declared none will

    and the factfinders then go on to quote the president in 2009: "done right, earmarks have given legislators the opportunity to direct federal money to worthy projects that benefit people in their districts, and that's why i've opposed their outright elimination"

    furthermore, hassled harry yesterday "blasted" his obsequious boss on the question

    Harry Reid blasts Obama on earmarks - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com

    obama bellied up for MALPRACTICE reform

    a gimpy gambit, finds fact check, we've been here before

    he's lucy holding charlie brown's football (ap's metaphor, not mine)

    and, come to think of it, where was the critical question of DRILLING in obama's sadsack sotu?

    his resort to that doa debt commission---a washington gimmick, ap suggests

    social security---the phony freezer pledges to protect current retirees, strengthen the system for future generations, with no mention of retirement age, nor means testing

    how ya gonna strengthen it, then, sam?

    once more, this destitute sotu is far more significant for what it DIDN'T say

    but, hey, aren't you PROUD of his RACE TO THE TOP!

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    Oh man, is Neil Cavuto right about this?


    Cavuto: 4 Billion Reasons to Cut the Debt - FoxNews.com

    That's why Iím such a pain in the butt every day,
    Four billion dollars.
    A day.
    Thatís' why I keep bugging newly in charge Republicans every day.
    Four billion dollars a day.
    That's why I keep tracking them on their promises to cut spending.
    That's why I keep bugging them.
    And needling them.
    And pushing them.
    Four billion dollars a day.
    That's why I rant, and Iím usually not a ranter.
    That's why I whine, and Iím usually not a whiner.
    And that's why Iím so damn impatient, and Iím usually quite patient.
    I have lost my patience. With politicians who are either slow to act or just slow.
    Just bad. Very bad. So forgive my behaving badly. But pardon my French, but there is no nice way for me to say, "Guys, get off your asses here! We are dying here!"
    And why I say to those who say, "Give them time," that we are out of time. And we are out of money.
    To the tune of four billion dollars a day.
    That is how much we pay in just interest payments on our more than fourteen trillion dollar debt.
    Every day.
    Each day.
    Day in.
    Day out.
    Four billion dollars a day in finance charges, on our big ole national Visa bill.
    That's more than 28 billion dollars per week.
    112 billion bucks per month.
    Debt interest per year
    More than 1.4 trillion smackers per year.
    Even if we never spend another dime, that much more in the hole.
    Digging in, just standing still.
    That's why Iím such a pain, and a nudge. Yea, thatís why I'm a jerk, and constant critic.
    Because of that constant reality.
    Four billion dollars a day.
    So the next time someone tells you, "That Cavuto guy should give Republicans time. They just got in."
    Tell them to figure this out.
    More than eighty billion bucks in the hole just since they "just got in."
    Let that sink in.
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