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    well, SEVENTEEN house dems this morning came over to support 08 spending

    17 Dems join GOP in budget cut vote - David Rogers - POLITICO.com

    it was 3 house dems who defected on comprehensive repeal of obamacare, then 13 endorsed republican plans to charge committees with crafting its replacement

    now, 17 suggest that a freeze simply doesn't suffice

    the flop foretells the appropriations war that americans will witness in the weeks preceding march 4

    the president's support is sapping

    just wait til THE MANDATE stands before mccaskill and mates

    either they kick out the fundamental prop of the piece they RECONCILED or the voters will KICK THEM OUT

    in missouri, nebraska, north dakota, wyoming, west virginia, ohio, florida, pennsylvania, wisconsin, minnesota, virginia...

    all senate seats UP in 12

    why did the party STILL in power FAIL even to INTRODUCE a budget for 2010

    why did the white house wait practically til NEW YEARS EVE to resolve america's TWENTY ELEVEN TAX BILL

    hey, if you progressives can't lead, someone's gotta

    complete incoherence emanates from the PIVOTING president

    where's global warming, where's housing, where's his answer to the eu...

    where's gitmo, where's the policy concerning the cartels, where's the sanctions vs iran

    when's he gonna meet personally with the leaders of this top facilitator of international terror

    where's the mideast peace talks

    what will he say about the violence and dangerous instability in tunisia, spreading this week to egypt, algeria, saudi arabia, morocco and mauretania

    thru all the hi blown poetry, cheap (because disingenuous) imitation of reagan, look for answers to some of the above

    you can be sure out of work americans, folks stuck in upside down mortgages, soldiers (and their families) fighting wars that he promised would be winding down by now, will
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    Eh, when you say "non-defense discretionary spending" you're talking about a very small portion of the budget. It's a start, I guess, but when the **** are we going to take a serious look at defense spending and non-discretionary spending?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yep. And tie the hands of our next President in 2013.
    I don't think President Obama will mind if he has to follow through on commitments from his previous term in his second term.

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    it was the dullest, most subdued, most downer of a sotu in recent memory

    the msnbc panel (ed, robinson, chrissy, rachel, odonnell) after the address attributed its subdued reaction to "date nite"

    it's true, the reps all sitting together robbed the president of applause opportunities, occasions for ovation

    and his message---odonnell (olbermann's replacement) called it "a mathematical riddle that can't be solved"

    ie, the president prattled on about investment, not stimulus, while simultaneously embracing america's new cult of CUTS

    "we are going to out-innovate, out-educate and out-build" the rest of the world

    it's today's SPUTNIK moment

    this, from the president who CUT nasa

    "reinvent ourselves"

    this, from the president transparently out to reinvent HIMSELF in front of the world by PIVOTING, by going CENTER

    who will believe him?

    his base won't want to believe

    his opponents have seen too much

    there's just no there there

    "vague" is what odonnell called it

    "meaningless"

    wind, solar, clean coal, NUKES and natural gas---we must do them all

    he's right

    it's CLEAN energy, now, not GREEN

    35 minutes into the speech he finally got to his first ACCOMPLISHMENT---race to the top

    even i was stunned

    this president who has done more to try to reshape his country than fdr and lbj combined can now only point to the microscopic

    what else could he say?

    cap and trade? wall street regulatory reform? obamacare (crammed via senate RECONCILIATION)?

    they're all political LOSERS

    he touts his takeover of student loans BEFORE he so reluctantly brings up obamacare

    and when he does finally discuss his signature piece, which he pursued like a real life ahab, he's 75% negative

    "now, i have heard rumors that a few of you still have concerns about our new health care law"

    "let me be the first to say that anything can be improved, if you have ideas about how to improve this law by making care better or more affordable, i am eager to work with you"

    he then trashes his own 1099's

    "instead of re-fighting the battles of the last 2 years, let's fix what needs to be fixed and MOVE FORWARD"

    ie, he doesn't want to talk about it

    (republican ryan sure did)

    and THERE'S your new political reality, the lay of the land as we look out across the landscape

    he brags about his credit card reform

    and start

    and putting lobbyists online (LOL!)

    anyone got a microscope so we can see what he's saying?

    then he transitions to INFRASTRUCTURE

    this president who confessed to the ny times magazine in october that he's only learned since passage of the stimulus that isn't a stimulus that THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A SHOVEL READY JOB

    he has not received a standing ovation from this crowd since he mentioned gabby giffords in the first five minutes

    biden's just sitting there

    the prez promises to reform the tax code---simplify it and eliminate those loopholes

    now there's a VISION of magnitude, laden full with how-to's and wherefore's

    and on IMMIGRATION REFORM---"i am prepared to work with republicans and democrats to protect our borders, enforce our laws and address the millions of undocumented workers who are now living in the shadows"

    oh?

    prepared, huh?

    how assuring is our leadership

    he kvetches about tax cuts for the "wealthiest 2%" mere weeks after signing them into law

    and only that after PUNTING on america's central relationship with the I-R-S until some 24 hours left him completely outta duck

    did you know that this country has experienced no major reorganization of govt since we had black and white tv?

    obama's gonna fix that

    he's gonna "merge, consolidate and reorganize the federal govt in a way that best serves the goal of a more competitive america"

    and he's gonna "submit" his "proposal" to congress for a real up and down vote

    !!!

    isn't that inspiring?

    but just exactly what does he mean?

    his white house leaked in advance his big bombshell---THE FREEZE!

    it fell flatter than a flapjack, all know it's insufficient

    not since richard nixon in 1974 has a president been so sadly received

    where's the poetry, mr president, where's the inspiration?

    "it sounded like the economic plan of some smaller country," commented chris matthews

    it DID sound third world

    to millions of americans most of what we heard is, "we're so very, very broke"

    hi speed rail, hi speed internet...

    amtrak?

    these are the forward looking solutions to OUR TIMES?

    he devoted more energy to IRAQ than AFGHANISTAN

    we've kept our commitment in iraq!

    a hundred thousand soldiers are coming home with their heads held hi

    fewer afghans are under control of the insurgency today, and we're gonna begin withdrawing troops in july

    "and the afghan govt will need to deliver better governance"

    now there's a war worth DYING for

    FAR MORE NOTABLE than the things this completely lost and lackluster president said are the things he didn't

    no mention of the HOUSING CRISIS, the pop that precipitated all this, today careening quickly toward double dip

    no solution for the states and cities begging to be allowed to go bankrupt

    no remembrance of the STIMULUS which supposedly staved off the great depression

    no mideast peace talks, no global warming, no cartels, no sanctions vs iran, no gitmo, no terrorist trials, no chinese currency, no answer for the collapse of the eu, no gun control for gabby

    instead we hear RACE TO THE TOP and CREDIT CARDS

    it was depressing, it was a downer

    we are as a nation just so utterly, utterly broke

    innovation, education and competitiveness, all summed up in the byword from 1957---SPUTNIK

    it's as if he stumbled on this new "theme" in the wake of his most recent humiliation at the hands of hu

    there's quite a bit more worthy of note in this sullen sotu, but that's enough for now

    take care, all

    try to stay up

    President Barack Obama’s 2011 State of the Union Address Transcript

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    Re: Obama Will Use SOTU to Call for 5 yr Freeze on Non-Security Discretionary Spendin

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Obama Will Use State of the Union to Call for Five-Year Freeze on Non-Security Discretionary Spending - FoxNews.com



    However...
    PolitiFact | Obama criticized McCain on a spending freeze






    I anxiously await the liberals who were horrified by an across the board freeze, to show their horror now.


    cricket... cricket...cricket.
    I have never had an issue with a spending freeze, due to a recession. The thing I tend to take issue with is when people try and argue that such spending is not needed in the first place. Also, I think once the recession is over and the budget is in check, we should also look at new spending again.

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    I have never had an issue with a spending freeze, due to a recession. The thing I tend to take issue with is when people try and argue that such spending is not needed in the first place. Also, I think once the recession is over and the budget is in check, we should also look at new spending again.
    This one single statement, shows why we should never ...ever … ever … put liberals in office again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    This one single statement, shows why we should never ...ever … ever … put liberals in office again.
    Yeah, because those conservatives have really proven to be against spending increases!
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    This one single statement, shows why we should never ...ever … ever … put liberals in office again.
    And this single statement shows why we should never...ever...ever put conservatives in office again.
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    Re: Obama Will Use SOTU to Call for 5 yr Freeze on Non-Security Discretionary Spendin

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Eh, when you say "non-defense discretionary spending" you're talking about a very small portion of the budget. It's a start, I guess, but when the **** are we going to take a serious look at defense spending and non-discretionary spending?
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    Re: Obama Will Use SOTU to Call for 5 yr Freeze on Non-Security Discretionary Spendin

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yeah, because those conservatives have really proven to be against spending increases!
    spend in itself is not the problem, so it doesn't really matter who spends more, what matters is how effective the spending is and if it is a problem that can be solved in an affordable way. If a problem cannot be solved by today's technology and current societal arrangements affordably, we should probably just live with it until such a time there is a better opportunity.
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