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    Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    According to the report, the White House improperly orchestrated the use of assets throughout the government to help key congressional allies as the voting drew near, including arranging more than 100 ostensibly official appearances by top appointees in battleground states such as Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and Connecticut.

    This federally funded travel was organized, approved and closely tracked by Bush's political office, the Office of Special Counsel found, describing the activity as leading to the illegal diversion of federal funds and workers' time.

    At one point in 2006, it disclosed, operatives employed by the Republican National Committee moved into White House quarters where they worked in tandem with the political-office staff to coordinate the campaign.
    I know, I know, Bush hasn't been in office in more than 2 years, and this is old news, even though it has just come to light. Why don't we just move on?

    Here is why we don't just move on - If former Bush officials are allowed to skate without consequences, then what is to prevent Obama from doing the exact same thing, knowing that they will also never be on the hook for it? The Hatch Act either works or it doesn't work, and there must be limits to abuse of political offices, don't you think?

    That is why my answer must be prosecute. Either that, or just repeal the Hatch Act as a law relic that gives the American people a warm and fuzzy feeling that their leaders are accountable for their actions, but just doesn't work in real life.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    The Hatch Act? Is this really all they have on Bush?

    Obama offered Bart Sestak a job on the White House, if he dropped out of the race. That's illegally influencing an election, is a felony and carries a 5 year stretch in the joint. There was no investigation.

    Now, we need to prosecute Bush, because a few civil servants might have engaged in partisan political activity?

    That's not Bush's fault. That's on those civil servants that particiated in such activity. They're the ones that have violated the Hatch Act. Prosecute them.
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    what is to prevent Obama from doing the exact same thing
    That is pretty funny. Berry has not made one move without his reelection and the politics of the moment foremost on the agenda. Berry campaigned all over the country for his dem allies using our money and I didn’t hear a lot of crying from the left or the right.

    I agree that the president should not use our tax money to travel for political or personal reasons. That would eliminate 99% of the travel we have seen from Berry. He should not be flying all over the world in AF1 unless he is one official business. He can fly coach if he has already spent his $500k/year compensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    That is pretty funny. Berry has not made one move without his reelection and the politics of the moment foremost on the agenda. Berry campaigned all over the country for his dem allies using our money and I didn’t hear a lot of crying from the left or the right.

    I agree that the president should not use our tax money to travel for political or personal reasons. That would eliminate 99% of the travel we have seen from Berry. He should not be flying all over the world in AF1 unless he is one official business. He can fly coach if he has already spent his $500k/year compensation.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know, I know, Bush hasn't been in office in more than 2 years, and this is old news, even though it has just come to light. Why don't we just move on?

    Here is why we don't just move on - If former Bush officials are allowed to skate without consequences, then what is to prevent Obama from doing the exact same thing, knowing that they will also never be on the hook for it? The Hatch Act either works or it doesn't work, and there must be limits to abuse of political offices, don't you think?

    That is why my answer must be prosecute. Either that, or just repeal the Hatch Act as a law relic that gives the American people a warm and fuzzy feeling that their leaders are accountable for their actions, but just doesn't work in real life.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Who's Berry?
    He meant Barry, which is a name used for Obama by people who prefer mindless namecalling to debate.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    He meant Barry, which is a name used for Obama by people who prefer mindless namecalling to debate.
    Perhaps, but President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. did once go by that name... but still, it is often simply just used as a pathetic jab

    From what I read in another article (can't find the link now) but the only punishment for violations of the Hatch Act is dismissal, and since all of the officials involved are no longer in office, there is no applicable punishment.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    You know what's lacking? In this country of heavy-regulation - what's lacking is government accountability measures.

    There are adequate ways of investigating, researching and learning about what individuals, companies, and law enforcement - even military -do. . . but government seems exempt from this same scrutiny.

    I think they need to address this because, yes, Presidents do things wrong - but because they're in for such a short amount of time it's hard and impractical to actually pursue action against them. By the time an adequate amount of facts are discovered the person is out of office and possibly out of reach altogether. . . and people have already moved on.

    You're right- I agree that it shouldn't be so quick adn simple. . . but the first thing that needs to change is how they can be held accountable. Currently there are no reproaches.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know what's lacking? In this country of heavy-regulation - what's lacking is government accountability measures.

    There are adequate ways of investigating, researching and learning about what individuals, companies, and law enforcement - even military -do. . . but government seems exempt from this same scrutiny.

    I think they need to address this because, yes, Presidents do things wrong - but because they're in for such a short amount of time it's hard and impractical to actually pursue action against them. By the time an adequate amount of facts are discovered the person is out of office and possibly out of reach altogether. . . and people have already moved on.

    You're right- I agree that it shouldn't be so quick adn simple. . . but the first thing that needs to change is how they can be held accountable. Currently there are no reproaches.
    It is called accountability and transparency.. both of which US politics lack.

    We all saw how that the Bush administration pissed on the Hacht Act (and other things), and there was plenty of complaints about it, but nothing was done. I also have no doubt that it is happening under Obama, and happened under Clinton and before.... simply because there is no system in place (that works) to deal with such breaches of the law, let alone consequences.

    And as long as this lack of accountability and transparency exists then nothing will happen and the usual partisan bs will continue and American politicians can get away with pretty much anything short of keeping bribe money in a freezer.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know, I know, Bush hasn't been in office in more than 2 years, and this is old news, even though it has just come to light. Why don't we just move on?

    Here is why we don't just move on - If former Bush officials are allowed to skate without consequences, then what is to prevent Obama from doing the exact same thing, knowing that they will also never be on the hook for it? The Hatch Act either works or it doesn't work, and there must be limits to abuse of political offices, don't you think?

    That is why my answer must be prosecute. Either that, or just repeal the Hatch Act as a law relic that gives the American people a warm and fuzzy feeling that their leaders are accountable for their actions, but just doesn't work in real life.

    Article is here.
    You're the one that can't move on. Everyone else, even most liberals have moved on. But you are still trying to get him prosecuted for something, anything.
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