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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they're unlawful orders, you can.

    The evidence is getting thinner by the minute.

    trufers gone wild.
    And if you order someone to violate the Hatch act, is that unlawful?

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know, I know, Bush hasn't been in office in more than 2 years, and this is old news, even though it has just come to light. Why don't we just move on?

    Here is why we don't just move on - If former Bush officials are allowed to skate without consequences, then what is to prevent Obama from doing the exact same thing, knowing that they will also never be on the hook for it? The Hatch Act either works or it doesn't work, and there must be limits to abuse of political offices, don't you think?

    That is why my answer must be prosecute. Either that, or just repeal the Hatch Act as a law relic that gives the American people a warm and fuzzy feeling that their leaders are accountable for their actions, but just doesn't work in real life.

    Article is here.
    I tend to be a bit pesimistic on issues like this just because the elites always get away with breaking the law. Take Dick Cheney for example with that whole scandel in Nigeria, what did he do? He just paid them a fat wad of cash so he could skate on by and not be held accountable for his actions, some things never seem to change since its very unlikley that anyone will seek to press charges just becasue he USED to be president, but the title of "former president" essaintaly gives him the power to do what he wants without suffering the consqeunces and we see this time and time again. If our leaders don't follow the laws that they help create, why should we?
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Absolutely, when they travel on personal time for personal activities. Campaigning is done at the campaign's or personal expense, not at federal expense, for government officials (different from the president).
    So, if cabinet members faked paperwork, then they violated the law and not the president. Yes?



    It's amazing how you have zero facts in your possession, and yet, you feel entitled to an opinion. This article has a good explanation of the travel rules for political campaign travel.
    What facts do you have? You tell us what the law says, but you still can't prove that Bush violated the law.


    Of course taxpayers are going to pay for Bush's campaign travel. We pay for Obama's campaign travel, too.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And if you order someone to violate the Hatch act, is that unlawful?
    I'm thinking maybe not, because there's a difference between something like this and committing an atrocity. Either way, it doesn't excuse those civil servants of violating the Hatch Act.

    The big question is, how many average joe civil servants are the trufers prepared to send to jail, in an attempt to nab GW? I'm thinking that won't look too good, which is a good reason why this investigation will go into the Trufer Journals and that's about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, if cabinet members faked paperwork, then they violated the law and not the president. Yes?
    That is what I'm sure the investigation will address. If the president or his key advisors advised them to break the law, however, they are guilty of conspiracy to commit a federal crime.

    What facts do you have? You tell us what the law says, but you still can't prove that Bush violated the law.
    A good starting point might be knowing what the law says. Maybe, at some point, you can familiarize yourself with the law, as well, and then we can have a productive discussion.

    Of course taxpayers are going to pay for Bush's campaign travel. We pay for Obama's campaign travel, too.
    Bush does not equal cabinet members. There are separate rules. Durr.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm thinking maybe not, because there's a difference between something like this and committing an atrocity. Either way, it doesn't excuse those civil servants of violating the Hatch Act.
    Violating a federal election law in a democracy IS an atrocity. Those laws serve a purpose, the main part of which is to keep incumbents from misusing the already significant advantage they hold in an election. Let me just say...if this were Obama we were talking about, you'd be ****ting yourself.

    If Obama's people are following these same strategies, they should ALSO be investigated (though, I suspect, with the release of this report there will be significant measures put into place to address this by the Obama administration).

    The big question is, how many average joe civil servants are the trufers prepared to send to jail, in an attempt to nab GW? I'm thinking that won't look too good, which is a good reason why this investigation will go into the Trufer Journals and that's about it.
    Civil servants typically are immune from prosecution in these cases because they are understood, rightfully, to be victims of the overwhelming power wielded against them, professionally, by political appointees and elected officials. This is law is designed to PROTECT CIVIL SERVANTS from being used politically.

    Maybe this is something you should read up on.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Wow, who saw that coming? The same people on the right who criticize Obama for everything under the sun are now defending Bush so ardently . I am in shock. You'd think these people who are now touting such an anti-big government philosophy would be more than happy to criticize Bush for his indiscretions during his term. Color me surprised.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm thinking maybe not, because there's a difference between something like this and committing an atrocity. Either way, it doesn't excuse those civil servants of violating the Hatch Act.

    The big question is, how many average joe civil servants are the trufers prepared to send to jail, in an attempt to nab GW? I'm thinking that won't look too good, which is a good reason why this investigation will go into the Trufer Journals and that's about it.
    The difference is only in scope and servarity, not legality. What is illegal is illegal. We have lesser and stronger punishments depending on the servarity, but if illegal, it's illegal.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    It is so funny to hear American conservatives...

    If a president they dont like has someone employed by him that does something wrong.. then the buck stops with the President and he is to blame...

    If a president they do like has someone employed by him that does something wrong.. then it is in no way the Presidents fault!
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    it's even funnier that they absolutely distort the meaning of what a conservative is in order to protect this war criminal. now watch the liberals do the same thing.
    Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep willing to contest the vote.

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