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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I know, I know, Bush hasn't been in office in more than 2 years, and this is old news, even though it has just come to light. Why don't we just move on?

    Here is why we don't just move on - If former Bush officials are allowed to skate without consequences, then what is to prevent Obama from doing the exact same thing, knowing that they will also never be on the hook for it? The Hatch Act either works or it doesn't work, and there must be limits to abuse of political offices, don't you think?

    That is why my answer must be prosecute. Either that, or just repeal the Hatch Act as a law relic that gives the American people a warm and fuzzy feeling that their leaders are accountable for their actions, but just doesn't work in real life.

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    Great post, absolutely agree.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'll ignore the personal attack, because that was expected and post this, from a government website on, "less restricted", personel by the Hatch Act.



    The question to the, "Bush is a definite criminal", folks; which one of Bush's people violated these prohibitions, what did they do and show us where Bush ordered them to do so? Thanks in advance.
    so then you hopefully now recognize that political appointees are NOT exempt from the hatch act - only some of its provisions ... as reflected by your own excerpt (which follows):
    The Hatch Act prohibits Less Restricted employees from:

    * using their official authority or influence to interfere with or affect the result of an election;

    * knowingly soliciting, accepting, or receiving a political contribution from any person (this may be done in certain limited situations by federal labor or other employee organizations);

    * knowingly soliciting or discouraging the participation in any political activity of anyone who has business pending before their employing agency;

    * being candidates for public office in partisan political elections; or

    * engaging in political activity while:

    * on duty;

    * in a government office;

    * wearing an official uniform; or

    * using a government vehicle

    Information on Hatch Act
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so then you hopefully now recognize that political appointees are NOT exempt from the hatch act - only some of its provisions ... as reflected by your own excerpt (which follows):
    Got any evidence that the Bush White House violated the Hatch Act? That would be tough, since they would have to pratically rig an election to be in violation. Are we gonna go down this road, again?

    BTW, post for us which political appointees are/are not exempted from the Hatch Act. Much abliged!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So I could start another thread discussing the overall action that can be taken against any president in office (during or after presidency) and say the exact same thing.

    I really don't care about the personal-views of the OP. I saw it as bringing up a subject that IS an issue of concern in general - partisanship aside.

    There is little REASON for a president to stick to the rules - thus - rules are being violated frivolously. . . anyone who says otherwise is fooling their selves. And it most certainly is not "just Bush" - because, as was pointed out, it's become "business as usual"

    If no one does anything because they want to be stubborn and insist that "you're just against so-n-so!" then NOTHING will ever change. The issue has to be pressed and change has to start somewhere. Why not Bush?
    Well after a 1000 Bush threads, a pattern emerges. I guess you just haven't been around.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Political appointees are exempted from the Hatch Act.
    They aren't exempted from having to pay for the use of government property in campaign activities.

    That's the issue.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well after a 1000 Bush threads, a pattern emerges. I guess you just haven't been around.
    Oh, you mean that if it involves Bush, you start attempting to misdirect the thread onto perceived Obama misdeeds.

    Yeah. I've seen that pattern.

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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh, you mean that if it involves Bush, you start attempting to misdirect the thread onto perceived Obama misdeeds.

    Yeah. I've seen that pattern.
    No, I suspect the OP of mouthfoaming over Bush. It was worst when Bush was in office, but now it's just insanity to try to bring the guy back into the discussion. It's a clear case of BDS. When will we stop hearing about it?
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    They aren't exempted from having to pay for the use of government property in campaign activities.

    That's the issue.
    Just garnish their checks, then.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, I suspect the OP of mouthfoaming over Bush. It was worst when Bush was in office, but now it's just insanity to try to bring the guy back into the discussion. It's a clear case of BDS. When will we stop hearing about it?
    What if these allegations are true? Would it bother you for the Obama administration to misuse federal property (and your tax dollars) to campaign for democrats around the country? Because---it would bother me. I hope there are people right now, at the federal level, working diligently to cover their asses so that an investigation like this...

    Hatch Act lessons lag, study says

    In another year or so...has zero findings of violations.

    This is not a partisan issue.
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    Re: Bush officials violated Hatch Act, agency concludes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just garnish their checks, then.
    The guilty parties, in this case, are no longer in office. IMO, they should be prosecuted, and hopefully, fined to the nth degree for falsifying trip reports and failing to pay for their use of government property.

    Don't you agree?

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