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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A airline is just a giant bus and cab service. The police can not say in order to use a privately owned bus,cab or train you must let us a government agency strip search and do an invasive pat down and the owners of that cab,bus or train have no say in it.
    That's a great analogy. But you reach the wrong conclusion. If the government wanted to institute scans before getting on a bus or a cab, that wouldn't be a constitutional violation either.

    The government can even perform a mandatory search when you are using your own car. Don't believe me? Check your driver's license and you'll see you've already consented to a search of your bodily fluids (breathalizer test) whenever a police officer should so demand. And it's 100% Constitutional.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's a great analogy. But you reach the wrong conclusion. If the government wanted to institute scans before getting on a bus or a cab, that wouldn't be a constitutional violation either.

    The government can even perform a mandatory search when you are using your own car. Don't believe me? Check your driver's license and you'll see you've already consented to a search of your bodily fluids (breathalizer test) whenever a police officer should so demand. And it's 100% Constitutional.
    That's because the search is for a specific purpose, as required by the Constitution, and probable cause has been established. There is no probable cause establish when you walk up to a bus.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's because the search is for a specific purpose, as required by the Constitution, and probable cause has been established. There is no probable cause establish when you walk up to a bus.
    Again not needed if you consent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Again not needed if you consent.
    And since when did what would be a constitutional violation suddenly become not a violation just because of consent?
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    And since when did what would be a constitutional violation suddenly become not a violation just because of consent?
    If you consent to a search you are effectively saying "please search me." The Fourth Amendment only protects against unreasonable searches and seizures. If you give your permission to allow somebody to search the fourth amendment doesn't even apply.

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    And since when did what would be a constitutional violation suddenly become not a violation just because of consent?
    LMAO there you go generalizing again, who said thats all it took for all of the constitution?

    oh thats right NOBODY LOL

    too easy please stay on topic and provide something to the debate at hand. Im still waiting for what amendment is being violated you have yet to provide one

    like I said fish in a barrel
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    like I said fish in a barrel
    I really wish it wasn't like this. Seems like people have such a hard time wrapping their minds around what exactly the fourth amendment protects.

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I really wish it wasn't like this. Seems like people have such a hard time wrapping their minds around what exactly the fourth amendment protects.
    I agree, its because for many its a VERY emotional issue and that emotion gets mixed in with their logic.

    I do agree with them that it IS emotional though and I do think the Policy MIGHT go to far, it is prone to abuse with out proper training/regulation/auditing and its real effectiveness CAN be debated. But again with all that said it does NOT violate the constitution and for whatever reason they (well like 2-3 people) dont get it. They think since I say FACTS that Im 100% for the policy, im not, I just have a clear understanding of what it is and it isnt.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I really wish it wasn't like this. Seems like people have such a hard time wrapping their minds around what exactly the fourth amendment protects.
    As technology changes, certainly there is some expansion though to keep up.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I agree, its because for many its a VERY emotional issue and that emotion gets mixed in with their logic.

    I do agree with them that it IS emotional though and I do think the Policy MIGHT go to far, it is prone to abuse with out proper training/regulation/auditing and its real effectiveness CAN be debated. But again with all that said it does NOT violate the constitution and for whatever reason they (well like 2-3 people) dont get it. They think since I say FACTS that Im 100% for the policy, im not, I just have a clear understanding of what it is and it isnt.
    bless us with your superior understanding and tell us what court ruling says that being a client of an airport is the same as giving consent, just so we can see how twisted this **** is.
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