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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You may notice that nothing I have written is in support of any of this, merely a statement of fact that there is no Constitutional violation.

    In fact I do not like these regulations. But I am capable of separating my emotional reaction from a rational understanding of the law of the United States Constitution. It is not an opinion question; the law is the law. And the law says there is no violation of the fourth amendment.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Public roads and sidewalks are public,
    Private companies do not own airspace.
    United States Code: Title 49,40103. Sovereignty and use of airspace | LII / Legal Information Institute
    a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit.
    (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.



    you have a right to walk along a public sidewalk without being subjected to a search. That is not true about private airlines.
    The TSA is a government agency, not a private company. Telling the airlines to do strip searches and invasive pat downs for them is still a violation against against the 4th amendment.

    You do not have a right to fly.
    You do not have a right to drive.

    Thus, your analogy is a failure. A better analogy to the TSA matter would be a privately owned roads or privately owned sidewalks that required a search before you could use it.
    You do know that TSA is not a privately own company nor are the skies privately owned?




    Right, and the government isn't overstepping any boundaries here. The government has regulated airline policy, and private airlines have implemented the TSA policy. The passenger does not have the right to fly, and thus give their consent to any search required to fly (and if they refuse they suffer no penalty beyond the fact that they don't get to fly on the privately owned airline).

    Is there anything else I can clear up for you?

    Again the constitution is a restriction on what the government can and can not do. TSA is a government agency.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I dont think the Constitution said anything or implied anything on sidewalks.
    who said they did? Im merely stating that there is no implied consent there, its the free world and you aren't partaking in a service so requires a search.

    So on a sidewalk FORCING search on you would violate the constitution

    totally different from the airport
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    actually these are all publicly owned airlines.
    A publicly traded company is still a private company.

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    A publicly traded company is still a private company.
    Do you even know what a publicly traded company is?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    A publicly traded company is still a private company.
    Sorta. Alas feel NO company should be traded anywhere. It takes away from its main goal just to boost money. Its bad for everyone in the long run.... with minor exceptions.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Sorta.
    That is to say, private as opposed to government.

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    wow this is silly on so many levels LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Private companies do not own airspace.
    United States Code: Title 49,40103. Sovereignty and use of airspace | LII / Legal Information Institute
    a) Sovereignty and Public Right of Transit.—
    (1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.
    Thieu plane their service their rules end of discussion dont like it dont fly





    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The TSA is a government agency, not a private company. Telling the airlines to do strip searches and invasive pat downs for them is still a violation against against the 4th amendment.
    Wrong again since there is consent from the passengers
    the airlines maybe able to complain that the government is doing something wrong against them but it wont be violation of the 4th LMAO



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do not have a right to drive.
    true to bad you drive your own vehicle and it is not a service you are partaking in lol



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do know that TSA is not a privately own company nor are the skies privately owned?
    irrelevant






    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again the constitution is a restriction on what the government can and can not do. TSA is a government agency.
    again irrelevant since there is consent
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you even know what a publicly traded company is?
    Indeed, and I think the distinction you're alluding to is between publicly traded corporations and closely-held corporations.

    We must be careful with our terminology, mustn't we?

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    It blows my mind how common sense can escape some people when emotions run to deep and make them blind to reality.

    Listen
    you can HATE the TSA
    THINK the TSA goes to far
    THINK the policies arent effective
    FEEL uncomfortable about them
    PROTEST against them
    TRY and change them
    PETITION to change them
    VOTE to change them

    and thats fine and I agree with some of that but the TSA policies do NOT violate the constitution, there is no FORCE
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