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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Hopefully Ventura is successful. The last time I checked the 4th amendments does not only apply when you are inside your home with the curtains closed. and doors shut.
    Last I checked the fourth amendment doesn't apply to searches where consent is given, as is the case in these TSA scans.

    Sorry, but there is still no Constitutional violation here.

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Last I checked the fourth amendment doesn't apply to searches where consent is given, as is the case in these TSA scans.
    Last I checked the validity or constitutionality of the TSA scans / pat downs were just entering our legal system.

    And last I checked, cohersion doesn't make full consent.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Last I checked the validity or constitutionality of the TSA scans / pat downs were just entering our legal system.
    There is a difference between bringing a lawsuit and having a good case. There is a lawsuit, yes, but the argument that the TSA searches are a Constitutional violation of the fourth amendment is so specious as to border on frivolous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    And last I checked, cohersion doesn't make full consent.
    I don't see anything coercive about these searches. They are no more coercive than metal detectors. Nobody is forcing anybody to fly. There is full consent here. End of story.

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There is a difference between bringing a lawsuit and having a good case. There is a lawsuit, yes, but the argument that the TSA searches are a Constitutional violation of the fourth amendment is so specious as to border on frivolous.



    I don't see anything coercive about these searches. They are no more coercive than metal detectors. Nobody is forcing anybody to fly. There is full consent here. End of story.
    for those who like the court to have their say, that's exactly what this lawsuit is about. ventura is claiming that he has to fly for his job. i like how this guy claims to be a libertarian and support this police state. shows how misinformed glen beck has made certain sections of the population.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    for those who like the court to have their say, that's exactly what this lawsuit is about. ventura is claiming that he has to fly for his job. i like how this guy claims to be a libertarian and support this police state. shows how misinformed glen beck has made certain sections of the population.
    I am not defending anything. Quite the contrary I am merely stating facts. There is no constitutional claim here.

    As you observe, I lean libertarian. So allow me to school you on libertarianism. Your post betrays a fundamental lack of understanding as to how libertarianism works, and what libertarians object to. There is a coercive element in this situation, certainly. But the airline is the party being coerced into changing its policy, not the passenger being coerced into a search. The passenger consents, or else he doesn't partake an optional service. That is not coercion. The airline must implement the TSA policy or else be subject to penalty. That is unlibertarian coercion.

    The argument that one "has to fly" for a job is just plain bunk. Making an argument like this betrays a poor understanding of what "consenting to a search" means in our legal system.

    So really all I'm talking about here is facts. What should be doesn't enter into it. The fact is there is no constitutional violation here.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    nope... which is why I'd choose the scanner. Problem solved.
    Not everybody has such a choice. People with prothesis, ostomy bags, and other medical conditions have been scanned, then subjected to an invasive patdown when the scanners saw these devices. Surely by now everyone has heard of the cancer survivers who've had to remove their prosthetic breasts, the poor man who had his ostomy bag ruptured and had to fly in urine-soaked clothes, and the mensuating woman whose panty liners set off the scanner, forcing her to remove her sanitary pad and show it to a TSA official.

    Don't forget, these initial patdowns are done in front of other passengers, who are able to watch you being groped. The more intimate measures, like yanking out a prosthetic breast or examining ostomy bags are done in "private"... with only 2 or 3 strangers watching.

    Not too many men would enjoy having their testicles and penis squeezed in public. I think these TSA invasive procedures need to be toned down considerably, and TSA needs to re-evaluate the interaction of their agents with the traveling public. Too damned many of these low-paid TSA agents are thugs and bullies who seem to enjoy making the experience as humiliating and degrading as possible.

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Last I checked the fourth amendment doesn't apply to searches where consent is given, as is the case in these TSA scans.

    Sorry, but there is still no Constitutional violation here.
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    dont like the TSA policies thats fine but they do NOT violate the constitution
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There is a difference between bringing a lawsuit and having a good case. There is a lawsuit, yes, but the argument that the TSA searches are a Constitutional violation of the fourth amendment is so specious as to border on frivolous.



    I don't see anything coercive about these searches. They are no more coercive than metal detectors. Nobody is forcing anybody to fly. There is full consent here. End of story.
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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    He definitely won't be succesful on the grounds of the constitution. He may be successful about having the policies rewriiten for better options after you recieve a red flag for "dignity" etc

    But any fight that falsely claims that the TSA policies violate the constitution will always fail as it should.
    True, I won't win the lawsuit. However, the lawsuit might draw more attention to the manner in which the TSA is interacting with the public. Right now, TSA seems to stand for Thugs Squeezing Asses.

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    Re: Ventura sues over body scans, pat-downs

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    True, I won't win the lawsuit. However, the lawsuit might draw more attention to the manner in which the TSA is interacting with the public. Right now, TSA seems to stand for Thugs Squeezing Asses.
    Again I have no problem with people not like the TSA policies or forcing the TSA to have a zero tolerence for workers who dont follow those policies or people that want the TSA policies change. thats fine and dandy with me. I may even agree.

    My only issue is with people that cry about it and say it violates the constitution when the fact remains it does not. People that compare it to rape and assult and molestation when the fact remains it is not.

    Hate, fight it, protest it etc etc thats all good by me, bring up that it violates the constitution and you look like a fool, not saying YOU did just making a general statement
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