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Emanuel Removed From Chicago Ballot

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Illinois Supreme Court Stops Printing of Chicago Mayoral Ballot - FoxNews.com

On Tuesday, the high court said that if any ballots are printed, they must include the former White House chief of staff's name while the court decides whether to take the case.
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They say Illinois courts have never required candidates to be physically present in the state to seek office there.
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You can seek office in a state and not ever have had to live there? News to me.
 
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Tucker Case said:
But, conservatives had someone run in Illinois a few years back who didn't reside in Illinois and never had. Dude ran against Obama, in fact.
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Are you claiming that an elected federal office, US senator for example, is the same as a municipal office? If not, you might be intereseted in knowing that the code that the judges applied to determine if Rahm qualifies only deals with people wanting to run for municipal office.
 
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buck said:
Are you claiming that an elected federal office, US senator for example, is the same as a municipal office? If not, you might be intereseted in knowing that the code that the judges applied to determine if Rahm qualifies only deals with people wanting to run for municipal office.
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It's not the same, but my point shows that neither side (left or right) actually gives a **** about residency except when it suits their agenda.

In the end, I don't give a crap who ends up being the mayor because no matter who gets in, I get ****ed.
 
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Tucker Case said:
It's not the same, but my point shows that neither side (left or right) actually gives a **** about residency except when it suits their agenda.
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It doesn’t show that at all. The law in question is a law that only pertains to local elections. Trying to apply the local election law to a federal election and saying “see, they did it too” seems like something only a hack would support.
 
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buck said:
It doesn’t show that at all. The law in question is a law that only pertains to local elections.
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Actually, it does show that. The only time a lack of residency is an issue is when its the guy running for the opposition party that lack's residency.


Trying to apply the local election law to a federal election and saying “see, they did it too” seems like something only a hack would support.
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Let me refresh your memory about what I was responding to:

Whovian said:
You can seek office in a state and not ever have had to live there? News to me.
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seems to me only a total hack would ignore what was being responded to and invent a strawman in its stead. It should not be any surprise to conservatives that one can seek office in a state without every having lived there. Alan Keyes fits that description perfectly.

However, Rahm Emanuel doesn't. He lived in Illinois for quite some time.

And as I said, I don't care who gets elected in Chicago, I'm getting ****ed. All of the options blow, and as a Chicagoan, I hate that.

But all of the hacks who have nothing to do with Chicago gloating because they are delusional in their hatred of Obama irritate the **** out of me, though.

Sadly, as the prof pointed out, there are even worse options than Rahm out there.
 
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It was clear from the time Emanuel said he was running what the rules were and he thought his clout with the Dems and Obama would trump the rules and he was wrong.

It's an example of the arrogance he has that he thought he could get away with this.

People in Congress and the Senate go home home a lot and can maintain residency.

I think this was a good decision and shows that in some places,even the political corruption hub of the Nation rules still apply.
 
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Councilman said:
It was clear from the time Emanuel said he was running what the rules were and he thought his clout with the Dems and Obama would trump the rules and he was wrong.

It's an example of the arrogance he has that he thought he could get away with this.

People in Congress and the Senate go home home a lot and can maintain residency.

I think this was a good decision and shows that in some places,even the political corruption hub of the Nation rules still apply.
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I would hold back on saying he was wrong. The Illinois Supreme court has stayed his removal form teh ballot and they are going to hear the case.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Actually, it does show that. The only time a lack of residency is an issue is when its the guy running for the opposition party that lack's residency.
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In this case it's an actual law requiring Chicago residency to run - which will apparently be interpreted differently very shortly. In other times, it's just general complaining. I don't see those two things being the same. I complained when Keyes ran (I still think Ditka would have been a better option), but I didn't think he should be kept off the ballot as being a carpet bagger wasn't against the law.

If the other guy didn't realize that you can run for federal office without having been a resident, he was wrong. There are countless examples - Alan Keyes in Illinois (as you pointed out) and Hillary Clinton in New York as just a couple.
 
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Tucker Case said:
I would hold back on saying he was wrong. The Illinois Supreme court has stayed his removal form teh ballot and they are going to hear the case.
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technically not correct. They stayed the removal of his name from the ballot 'while they decide if they will hear the case'. Unless something else has happened since this morning.
 
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Whovian said:
technically not correct. They stayed the removal of his name from the ballot 'while they decide if they will hear the case'. Unless something else has happened since this morning.
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The SC has agreed to review the case. They aren't taking any additional written or oral arguments - which signals to me that they are planning on overturning the decision.
 
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buck said:
In this case it's an actual law requiring Chicago residency to run - which will apparently be interpreted differently very shortly. In other times, it's just general complaining. I don't see those two things being the same.
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I actualy agree that they are different, but I was responding to a specific comment about general residency, not about thedifference in laws. Also, if the law about residency is basically the same one for all city empoyees, there is a grace time between being hired and establishing permanent residency.

Even if that isn' tthe case, Rahm is a little different. His out-of-state residency could be viewed as temporary based on the fact that his job is known to have an expiration date. I'm not sure how that would affect teh interpretation of the law.

Either way, we're looking at a load of crap as far as our next mayor goes. It' snothing new, though.

I complained when Keyes ran (I still think Ditka would have been a better option), but I didn't think he should be kept off the ballot as being a carpet bagger wasn't against the law.
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I actually liked Ryan, the kinky freak. (Plus his ex-wife is absurdly hot, so he had to have some skills getting **** done). Ditka might make a good mayor, though.

If the other guy didn't realize that you can run for federal office without having been a resident, he was wrong. There are countless examples - Alan Keyes in Illinois (as you pointed out) and Hillary Clinton in New York as just a couple.
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Exactly. that's what I was trying to get at.
 
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Emanuel still appears to be the heavy favorite to win the election on InTrade, indicating that most people are betting the Supreme Court sides with him...
 
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Whovian said:
technically not correct. They stayed the removal of his name from the ballot 'while they decide if they will hear the case'. Unless something else has happened since this morning.
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buck said:
The SC has agreed to review the case. They aren't taking any additional written or oral arguments - which signals to me that they are planning on overturning the decision.
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Buck got to it before me.
 
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Tucker Case said:
I actualy agree that they are different, but I was responding to a specific comment about general residency, not about thedifference in laws. Also, if the law about residency is basically the same one for all city empoyees, there is a grace time between being hired and establishing permanent residency.
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From what I understand it's basically the same. The big difference is that for city employees, they have to be a resident at the time they are hired (there might be a grace period too, I guess). For elected office, they have to be a resident for 1 year prior to the election.

I think it's all moot anyway. I see the SC overturning the judgement based on their actions today. Not sure what they're opinion will state, since the law seems fairly clear with very specific exemptions for which Rahm doesn't appear to qualify.
 
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buck said:
From what I understand it's basically the same. The big difference is that for city employees, they have to be a resident at the time they are hired (there might be a grace period too, I guess).
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To my knowledge, city employees have to declare an intent to gain residency ASAP when they are hired, with a total grace period of two years.

My wife was able to teach at CPS before we moved inte the city and that's how she had to do it then. (She isn't teaching in CPS anymore, though. Job sucked.)

For elected office, they have to be a resident for 1 year prior to the election.
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Gotcha. I do wonder how residency would be determined, exactly.

I think it's all moot anyway. I see the SC overturning the judgement based on their actions today. Not sure what they're opinion will state, since the law seems fairly clear with very specific exemptions for which Rahm doesn't appear to qualify.
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It'll be interesting to see their reasoning.
 
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Do we really need all this right wing snobbery? Its not a victory for conservatives over liberals its a victory for the rule of law, something we should all be able to agree on. This isn't a left wing conspiracy to skirt the law, stop trying to pretend this was some kind of national left wing plan which all self described liberals share responsibility for or somehow means anything against any policy a liberal would support. How many liberals outside of Chicago do you think actually knew about this law? Or heck how many liberals inside of Chicago, or how many of his supporters? Hell, how many conservatives inside or outside of Chicago knew about this law?

I'm guessing many will state, I KNEW IT WAS LIKE THAT ALL ALONG!!! Yet for whatever reason this specific criticism of Rahm campaign didn't surface until after the news story broke.
 
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Whovian said:
academic... he's back on, per the State Supreme Court.
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Whew. Almost thought a requirement will get in the way of an ex-Obama staffer from getting what he wants. Close one!
 
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Ockham said:
Whew. Almost thought a requirement will get in the way of an ex-Obama staffer from getting what he wants. Close one!
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Its a conspiracy
 
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Wiseone said:
Its a conspiracy
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Nothing so dramatic. It's just straight corruption - and this IS Chicago after all.
 
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Ockham said:
Nothing so dramatic. It's just straight corruption - and this IS Chicago after all.
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Well, Springfield actually. Are you saying he bribed the Supreme Court justices?
 
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I don't know if anyone posted this, but he was reinstated on the Ballot. This should serve as an example of just how corrupt Chicago politics really is. Just the fact he rented his primary residence out to someone else shows he didn't intend to maintain his residency. Obama didn't rent his home as far as I know. Anybody know where Rahm was living in D.C. did he rent or was he staying in the White House storage room in the basement? If he had brought a car to D.C. he would have been required to re register it within 30 or 60 days.
 
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Kandahar said:
Well, Springfield actually. Are you saying he bribed the Supreme Court justices?
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Bribed, strong armed, used the White House as influence ... sure. Pick one.
 
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