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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It was wrong for the Chinese to do this and I don't think Obama should allow them to treat him, and the United States like that.
    There's an old expression, "You have to pick your battles." I think Obama is wise not to make a big deal out of this.

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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It was wrong for the Chinese to do this and I don't think Obama should allow them to treat him, and the United States like that.
    Somewhat agree. However Obama in all likelihood probably didn't know what was going on, and who can really blame him? It's a song that he's probably rarely or never heard before.

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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There's an old expression, "You have to pick your battles." I think Obama is wise not to make a big deal out of this.
    I think he's wrong to not. He invited the Chinese to a State dinner in our country and they publicly flex their muscle and offend us in our own capitol by playing their propaganda. Would China take it kindly if we played "America, **** YEAH!" From Team America World Police over in Beijing if Hu invited Obama over there for a Chinese state dinner? I think it's highly disrespectful and almost like "international trolling" in regards to what China did.

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Somewhat agree. However Obama in all likelihood probably didn't know what was going on, and who can really blame him? It's a song that he's probably rarely or never heard before.
    I agree, but I feel that knowing after the fact he should do something or at least go to Hu privately about what happened.
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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

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    The 200-mile thing is BS and has little basis in international law. International law only recognizes airspace and waters out to 12 nautical miles off the coast as being territorial. As for the fighter pilot, his balls were obviously too large for his own good.

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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There's an old expression, "You have to pick your battles." I think Obama is wise not to make a big deal out of this.

    Obama is deadly effective in beating up American conservatives. He is ineffably weak in dealing with China.

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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Obama is deadly effective in beating up American conservatives. He is ineffably weak in dealing with China.
    If it was Sarah Palin playing the same song on the piano the Left would have been in an uproar.

    But get anyone else doing it and they'll quickly back off and look the other way with their 'nothing to see here, folks' clumsiness.

    They always manage to get around with one foot in their mouths but occasionally, and almost miraculously, they frequently fit the other one in there as well.

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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think he's wrong to not. He invited the Chinese to a State dinner in our country and they publicly flex their muscle and offend us in our own capitol by playing their propaganda. Would China take it kindly if we played "America, **** YEAH!" From Team America World Police over in Beijing if Hu invited Obama over there for a Chinese state dinner? I think it's highly disrespectful and almost like "international trolling" in regards to what China did.
    Well that's just it. Let's assume the worst here (and there is at least some evidence that Lang was unaware of the political associations of the song, but for the sake of argument let's assume) that this was a deliberate attempt of the Chinese to thumb their noses at the United States. What then? Cancel the performance? Cancel the state dinner? Economic sanctions against China? What would satisfy you? War?

    It's nonsense. Proper diplomacy demands that the Chinese be given the benefit of the doubt. The role of the president at a state dinner is to be the gracious host, not to be prickly or boorish. If the Chinese were rude in their choice of song, that does not mean that retribution must be exacted. That is not how international diplomacy works. The fact is that the US is so strong that we don't even need China's respect. But we'd be a lot less likely to get it by acting like petulant children over a perceived insult. If it looks weak to permit such a thing, it looks far, far weaker to lose one's cool over it.
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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    The Chinese intend to remake the international order.
    No doubt. Who doesn't want to be more powerful?

    Ultimately they will succeed.
    I'm not so sure. Just because one has intentions doesn't mean one has the ability. Their economy is not innovation-based. After awhile they will be stuck in the middle-income trap if they think that maintaining their manufacturing dominance is the way to go, instead of moving to high-tech service-based economy. Even if their GDP exceeds ours in 20 yrs, their per capita income and living standards will still be a lot lower.

    The old international order created by the West is losing its power. Look at what the Chinese did to America and the Europeans at the Copenhagen Global Warming Conference in December 2009.
    No disagreement here. It's what happens when u owe some guy trillions of dollars.

    Obama is deadly effective in beating up American conservatives.
    Haha, funny. From my perspective Obama is deadly effective at caving in to conservatives, who in general play the politics game much better than liberals/Democrats. The idea of Obama "beating up" on anyone, to me personally, is laughable. His governing style has been anything but aggressive or assertive.

    He is ineffably weak in dealing with China.
    Who isn't? If I were China i'd just keep ****ing around and doing what i'm doing to make myself stronger. When you owe someone trillions of dollars you're not really in a position to bargain for anything...

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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If it was Sarah Palin playing the same song on the piano the Left would have been in an uproar.

    But get anyone else doing it and they'll quickly back off and look the other way with their 'nothing to see here, folks' clumsiness.

    They always manage to get around with one foot in their mouths but occasionally, and almost miraculously, they frequently fit the other one in there as well.
    I highly doubt Sarah Palin would be playing anti-American propaganda.

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    Re: Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

    That's hilarious, well done that piano player. To put it in the local vernacular:

    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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