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    Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

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    By Peter Finn
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, January 23, 2011; 12:56 AM

    AUSTIN - The suspect's house, just west of this city, sat on a hilltop at the end of a steep, exposed driveway. Agents with the Texas Department of Public Safety believed the man inside had a large stash of drugs and a cache of weapons, including high-caliber rifles.
    As dawn broke, a SWAT team waiting to execute a search warrant wanted a last-minute aerial sweep of the property, in part to check for unseen dangers. But there was a problem: The department's aircraft section feared that if it put up a helicopter, the suspect might try to shoot it down.
    So the Texas agents did what no state or local law enforcement agency had done before in a high-risk operation: They launched a drone. A bird-size device called a Wasp floated hundreds of feet into the sky and instantly beamed live video to agents on the ground. The SWAT team stormed the house and arrested the suspect..........
    The Houston Police Department considered participating in a pilot program to study the use of drones, including for evacuations, search and rescue, and tactical operations. In the end, it withdrew.
    A spokesman for Houston police said the department would not comment on why the program, to have been run in cooperation with the FAA, was aborted in 2007, but traffic tickets might have had something to do with it.
    When KPRC-TV in Houston, which is owned by The Washington Post Co., discovered a secret drone air show for dozens of officers at a remote location 70 miles from Houston, police officials were forced to call a hasty news conference to explain their interest in the technology.
    A senior officer in Houston then mentioned to reporters that drones might ultimately be used for recording traffic violations.
    Federal officials said support for the program crashed.
    I doubt there is much the public can do to stop this, but I say there are police depts that think they're doing the right thing while invading people's privacy. The trouble with police is that they allow a lot of internal corruption shielded from the same scrutiny as the public. If a police officer or chief had a drone flying over his house, eyeballing him humping his wife, he might think twice about surveiling his neighbor.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    What's the difference between an aerial sweep from drone or a helicopter, surveillance wise? If anything, you could fit higher tech on a helicopter than a drone. Though, I'll clarify that by saying if they're using the drones to hover in front of windows, or something similar, that's a clear breach of privacy.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    I think a aerial drone is the last thing they should use for law enforcement. It opens the door for the government to have these flying everywhere.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What's the difference between an aerial sweep from drone or a helicopter, surveillance wise? If anything, you could fit higher tech on a helicopter than a drone. Though, I'll clarify that by saying if they're using the drones to hover in front of windows, or something similar, that's a clear breach of privacy.
    I think you answered your own question. A helicopter can not hover in front of windows, or something similar. Nor can a helicopter fly within a few feet of your property.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think you answered your own question. A helicopter can not hover in front of windows, or something similar. Nor can a helicopter fly within a few feet of your property.
    But, as in the OP, the drone was used exactly how a helicopter would be:
    They launched a drone. A bird-size device called a Wasp floated hundreds of feet into the sky and instantly beamed live video to agents on the ground.
    If it's being used like that, in lieu of a helicopter, with no risk to any cops lives, I don't have a problem with it.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    But, as in the OP, the drone was used exactly how a helicopter would be:

    If it's being used like that, in lieu of a helicopter, with no risk to any cops lives, I don't have a problem with it.
    Don't they have helicopters with very powerful cameras that can beam live video? This seems like nothing more than a ploy to get people used to the idea of drones flying around.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Don't they have helicopters with very powerful cameras that can beam live video? This seems like nothing more than a ploy to get people used to the idea of drones flying around.
    Or, it was that it's safer for everyone involved if a guy with "high calibre rifles" shoots at a drone rather than a helicopter.

    I do have a problem with drones as they are open to abuse by law enforcement, but if they're used in a strictly regulated manner, perhaps needing a warrant for their use, in cases when helicopters wouldn't suffice (eg. if it's likely that the helicopter would be shot at), then they could be quite useful.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    If a PRIVATE company can have it's satellites in SPACE take detailed photos of everyone's property around the world, release it for it's own purposes to the internet at large, then I see no reason why the government can't do the same.



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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Or, it was that it's safer for everyone involved if a guy with "high calibre rifles" shoots at a drone rather than a helicopter.
    Helicopters can see pretty far and at a safe distance.


    I do have a problem with drones as they are open to abuse by law enforcement, but if they're used in a strictly regulated manner,
    I do not see them being used in a strictly regulated manner. I see law enforcement using private citizens who are not bound by the same regulations as the police are to use aerial drones without warrants.


    perhaps needing a warrant for their use, in cases when helicopters wouldn't suffice (eg. if it's likely that the helicopter would be shot at), then they could be quite useful.
    And as soon as people get used to seeing law enforcement use drones they will comply with the government sticking these things everywhere to monitor the public.
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    Re: Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate

    I don't think they should have these drones up in the air, not only is it an invasion of privacy, but if they get these drones up in the air how long before we start having covert missile strikes here in the US? I'm not saying that that would happen, I'm just saying that we need to recognize that as a possibility.
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